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599 HGTE vs HGTE package

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  1. Ron328

    Ron328 F1 Rookie
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    Everything else equal (ie., mileage, color, condition, etc), would a 2010 599 HGTE be more valuable or expensive compared to same year non-HGTE 599 fitted with HGTE package?
     
  2. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Yup, but not by much most likely, depending on which kit was fitted. The HGTE kit does not include the HGTE seats and some other trim items. Also, there were different HGTE kits including different components. Some did not include the exhaust, for example.
     
  3. DXB599

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    I would much rather pay additional for a factory installed package. Virtually none of the cars with the add on packages have the HGTE interior. Seems to have been a rare factory option, but doesn't add a huge premium on the resale market.
     
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  4. psorella

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    I agree, the cars born as HGTE will command a premium...
     
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  5. phil the brit

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    In years to come a genuine factory produced HGTE will be worth a lot more than a retro fit kit
     
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  6. simsko

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    Factory specced hgte will be more valuable in the long term.
     
  7. wolfturbo

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    Did you really need to ask? I can't think of any scenario where retrofitted is more coveted than factory!
     
  8. cgt000

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    How much premium?
     
  9. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Whatever someone is willing to pay.
     
  10. psorella

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    Exactly...👍
     
  11. Ron328

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    Still learning about 599s. And I asked bec I thought the HGTE package included EVERYTHING (including interior/seats and all upgrades) to make it HGTE.
     
  12. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Here is what is included courtesy of boardwalk.

    599 HGTE Retrofit kit
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    For your 599, we offer the HGTE Retrofit kit which includes...

    Handling package - consisting of new more rigid springs and rear anti-roll bar as well as new calibration for the magnetorheological shock absorbers when in the sporty positions of the Manettino (SPORT and RACE positions). The handling features a better response time and a feeling of increased compactness without unduly compromising driving comfort. The car’s ride height has also been reduced and therefore the center of gravity lowered still further, which helps with the reduction of weight shift. The lowering of the center of mass combined with the new setup helps to reduce the squat and dive as well as pitch and roll, with the resulting benefit to the car’s dynamic performance.

    This setting reduces the static roll and rolling movements on the tracks as well as pitching. This gives the car faster turn-in and less under-steer effect. The car’s performance has also been improved with new tires which have been specially optimized for this package. They are characterized by a compound that helps to allow even more effective grip for better road holding combined with excellent ease of control.


    The front tires are fitted on modular rims with increased rigidity and a larger track. This improves axle performance which facilitates turn-in.

    These results are achieved through both mechanical and software changes:
    • Lower suspension (10mm)
    • New magnetorheologically controlled suspension calibration for the Manettino
    SPORT and RACE configurations
    • More rigid suspension springs (front + 16%, rear + 10%)
    • More rigid rear antiroll bars (diameter increased to 24.5 mm)
    • Tires with improved compound
    • Modular rims with reduced weight and special new design

    The kit also adds a strong styling component: the 20” modular rims with new design and finishing treatment. The rims have a forged flange to benefit weight. The design of the spokes is highlighted by a diamond surface treatment with a technical matte transparent trim called “Silver Corsa”.


    Performance package - NOTE-This kit cannot be installed on cars with manual gearboxes. Cars with VIN 156938 and greater can use this kit or HGTE Exhaust Kit part number 70001493 which is mufflers only.

    The installation of the “HGTE Performance” kit, which includes the replacement of the mufflers, exhaust pipes and new software settings, offers the client faster response of the engine controls. This enhances the car’s dynamic qualities which can be best experienced on the track.

    In performance driving conditions, the F1 gearbox activation is now more rapid. Indeed, thanks to optimized electronic control, the response time of the gear change command system has been reduced by 20 milliseconds during downshifting. A further enhancement involves engine control, which includes
    accelerator logic with modified mapping that enhances the rapid increase in revolutions along the wide engine use field.

    In addition, this kit includes exhaust tailpipes which are further enhanced in the rear ¾ views by the black chroming treatment on the side surface. The styling characteristics of the tailpipes are combined with a modification of the exhaust muffler. The sound produced by the car is more pronounced and exciting, especially for sports use, while maintaining a good level of comfort at cruising speed.

    Exhaust - Mufflers only upgrade

    Asthetic (exterior only) -
    Together with the other kits, or individually, this kit completes the “customization” of the exterior. It enhances the front area with the use of a grille with a special chromatic treatment where the Prancing Horse has a more definitive appearance due to a special brushed-finish treatment. The Prancing Horse with the same treatment is also available on the rear lid.
     
  13. Ron328

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    Thanks, Terry.
     
  14. ROMO

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    +1
     
  15. Patrnflyr

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    Kind of funny how things change. When I was looking, I was told to stay away from the HGTE package because it made the car ride a little rougher. I was looking more for a GT ride and less of a sports car ride so that's probably why I was told that...
     
  16. Caeruleus11

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    Thats a different criteria. Thats a criteria based on how the car drives/rides. The criteria here is what will hold value better. In that case the other posters are right. The native HGTE car will do that.
     
  17. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Have to remember, too, that the HGTE was only available for two model years in the US, 2010 and 2011, so that increases its rarity. Add that to the small number of 599s built in 2010 and 2011 (Euro late 2009s were available with HGTE), and the OEM package is actually pretty rare.

    Any earlier HGTEs advertised are obviously ones with kits added. For 2010, there were 153 599s imported to the US and for 2011 there were 247 599s and 599 GTOs combined imported, according to NHTSA. No numbers on 599s for earlier years.
     
  18. FPFaeth

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    Terry: do you have the US numbers of 599s by year, starting in 2007? Thanks. Frank
     
  19. tazandjan

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    Frank- Nope, not on NHTSA's site.
     
  20. montegoblue

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    How do the HGTE seats compared to the standard ones? Are they very aggressively bolstered , i.e. uncomfortable for long trips ??
     
  21. FPFaeth

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    Thanks for checking Terry. Frank
     
  22. DXB599

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    The HGTE package was $30K new and was a real bargain given everything included inside and out. It's one of the very few options (other than a manual gear box) that has probably maintained its full retail price or even appreciated.
     
  23. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    About the same for the HGTC package on the 575M only available in the last year of production.
     
  24. DZ-96

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    Your 599 is exactly the configuration i would have ordered, if ......
    rosso corsa / nero with red stitching / full carbon / HGTE

    Great car !

    Daniel
     

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