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Discussion in '612/599' started by bobbyd, Mar 21, 2010.

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  1. Back Marker

    Back Marker Formula Junior

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    "disconnect" not that high. Dealer asking 279k means they would probably accept 250k. Then we'll have to factor in any late bids.
     
  2. Drive550PFB

    Drive550PFB Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Just did the math. I am about $4.80 per mile, but the vast majority of that is the depreciation in value. I am down over $130,000 on price, if we use $135,000 as the current value. As I head towards 75,000 miles, that number should fall into the mid $3.00 range, I think.
     
  3. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
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    #28 Napolis, Mar 25, 2010
    Last edited: Mar 25, 2010
    That's the key. Put more miles on that Puppy! Your $PM will go down.

    (I bought my TR for 120K new and sold it 155K miles later with a rotted chassis for 23K. The rest was service costs)

    Best
     
  4. Drive550PFB

    Drive550PFB Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Plan to take your advice this afternoon -- 67* and sunny here today.
     
  5. Back Marker

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    #30 Back Marker, Mar 25, 2010
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    Less than 40 mins to go on the auction -- 10 bids -- $226,769.69

    edit : Auction ended -- Reserve not met -- $230,100
    I'm guessing roughly $20k short of reserve given the asking price of $279k
     
  6. Napolis

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  7. Drive550PFB

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  8. Back Marker

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    Did you make them an offer?
     
  9. bobbyd

    bobbyd Formula Junior

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    Went to drive the car yesterday. Perfect as new condition. Nice color combo. Only one problem: car was not all that fun to drive, IMO. Did about 15 to 20 miles along some winding roads, 40 to 100 mph range, mostly 3rd and 4th gear stuff. Found engine fantastic as expected, the rest underwhelming, especially the steering which was light and lacking in feel. I'm sorry, but for fun driving give me a CS or Scud, any day. My current GT3RS is also more fun, with lots more feel and precision. So, in a nutshell, the 599 is off the shelf for me. No offense to those who love it, of course. To each their own. Best.
     
  10. champagne612

    champagne612 F1 Veteran
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    Then you go an add another 20 cause the first five wasn't informative - 3% of the depreciation should have left about 2500 for that joy!
     
  11. Back Marker

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    The Scuderia and 599 are two different cars. You'll enjoy the 458 when it arrives.
    Stay in touch!
     
  12. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Doug- No clue what that post was supposed to mean. Care to translate?

    Taz
    Terry Phillips
     
  13. Back Marker

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  14. lipscomb

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    "Those guys need a course in sales and marketing. They take that beautiful car and photograph it in front of mini-storage units. "
    So right!
     
  15. Back Marker

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  16. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
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  17. chet

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  18. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Bidding ended at 145K which IMO is about right. Sellers don't agree...yet.
     
  19. Back Marker

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    Posting this in case someone does an fchat VIN search in the future and the eBay listing is removed


    2008 ZFFFC60A180162164 Yellow / Black 5,115 miles Hollywood FL high bid 230,100

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ferrari-599-F1-2008-FERRARI-599-GTB-F1-BEST-ON-EBAY-FLORIDA_W0QQitemZ350330095866QQcategoryZ170142QQcmdZViewItem




    2007 ZFFFC60A970151122 Silver / Black 5,313 miles Costa Mesa CA high bid 145,612

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/07-599-F1-ALL-OPTIONS_W0QQitemZ170463695908QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item27b06d9424
     
  20. PCH

    PCH F1 Rookie

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    Wouldn't put much credence on the bidding as in many cases it's the seller's family and friends.
     
  21. Drive550PFB

    Drive550PFB Two Time F1 World Champ
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    It is amazing--that price. Everyone can learn from this. When prices first started to peak and then head downhill, the best strategy would have been to price a sale slightly below market. By the time people got around to viewing the car and inspecting it, the market feel a little more and this price would have been in line with market. The only issue would have been the downward momentum on the market.

    Now that the market is in free fall, the same rule still applies. Sellers must look at where the market will be in a month, instead of trying to test market highs right now. Otherwise, these sellers will still be owners in a month.

    Too many times, people take a photo of the market now with no appreciation for context and are surprised when nothing happens in a month.
     
  22. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Very, Very True.
     
  23. TrojanHorse

    TrojanHorse Formula Junior

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    A true statement for sure.

    Obviously, this car...indeed any car is worth what a willing buyer will pay for it, and 599's, like many high end cars, are suffering. Plus, 12 cyl Ferrari's coupes traditionally fall pretty hard in year 3-4.

    But its an unstructured and "reserve based" auction on ebay--and I've often found to be rather poor at providing accurate values UNLESS the car has "over sticker" value status...

    So $145k is the fair price on a 5k mile 2007 599 with a sticker of $330k? Unless there is a story on this car, I find it hard to believe, even in this market...my guess, if that's what is can be called, is a bit less than the price of the last '07, 5k, black/black sold at our local dealer (approx 60 days ago)....which was $235k +/-.

    But then, who knows until you're holding a chk book and cutting the actual deal.
     
  24. chet

    chet F1 Rookie

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    That was me. I bid it up in the last hour.
     
  25. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Getting real close to 575M prices two years ago, when they were $130-170, depending on MY and options.

    Sub-$200K 599s really make one sit up and take notice. But then we have had sub-$100K 575Ms for quite a while.

    Taz
    Terry Phillips
     

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