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599 Review

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  1. Ferrari 360 CS

    Ferrari 360 CS F1 Veteran

    Dec 4, 2004
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    In October last year a friend of mine collected his 599 GTB and have spent some time in the car since, albeit only in the passenger seat. Around the same time I started working on a review and I am sure you will agree putting something together that does the 599 justice wasnt easy, especially not when you are also busy with a review of a 430 Challenge.

    Of course I needed to be sure the reivew was of a decent standard before posting it here, as in my experience web forums contain some of the harshest critics you will find anywhere!

    (just a little bit of backround I have contributed to the South African Ferrari Club Magazine on occasion, am NOT a journalist though)

    Here is the review, comments good, bad, constructive much appreciated!

    "To understand the brilliance of the 599 GTB one needs to look back 30 years to the first supercars, most were extremely beautiful but for an owner these cars were far from practical, in fact in many ways the first supercars were merely racing cars made road legal, there were few concessions to comfort and reliability was usually far from a certainty. These supercars were the expression of mans desire to go very fast and to look good. 30 odd years ago Ferrari’s flag ship was the 365GTB/4, that car boasted 352 bhp from its 4.4 liter V12, itself a direct descendant of a racing engine. The performance figures were ground braking even if the technology wasn’t; a top speed of 280 km/h was truly headline stuff back in 1971.

    Fast forward to 1987 and the launch of an icon, a car that I personally revere, the mighty F40, the F40 had the distinction of being the first road car to have a top speed of more than 320 km/h, it did this by being a light weight racing car for the road. There were no creature comforts of any description; it also possessed a truly unique aura.

    You might ask what this has to do with the 599 and it’s very simple, the 599 has a top speed approaching 340 km/h, a 0-100 time of 3.4 seconds and one person I have spoken to has driven one at 325 km/h and remarked how easy it was. The figures suggest a low weight racing car but the reality is this is a car 1600 kg GT car that is as comfortable dawdling around the city as it is blasting around race tracks.

    Walking up the 599 one is struck by the styling that’s both rounded and beautiful but also aggressive and assertive, not since I saw an F40 for the first time has a Ferrari had such aggressive yet beautiful styling. It’s a clever design, the dimensions suggesting a large car but no matter how you look at it, it never seems large and overbearing.

    Climb inside and you enter surely one of the best Ferrari interiors, everything falls easily hand, F1 technology has been applied in such a way that it makes the car more user friendly; the toggle on the back of the steering wheel for example is useful for scrolling through the OBC and it various functions

    Everything pales though when you start that V12, the roar from the tail pipes leaves one in no doubt that this V12 once resided in the Enzo. Out on the road this car is nothing short of staggering, the power being relentless. Acceleration slams one back into the seat as one blasts up the road, ones senses are overwhelmed by the acceleration and power but the sound this engine makes is of the goose bump inducing variety. The F1 gearbox is nothing short of superb, the changes being so fast that one hardly even notices the, this is especially true in race mode.

    Out on the open road the 599 just wants to go, at 250km/h it’s just getting into the stride but behind this mighty performance lies a car that will happily cruise around the city all day, a car that is comfortable and as well equipped as a luxury saloon. The dual personality defines the 599, one minute is a great luxury cruiser and the other it’s a bellowing, roaring V12 monster. Handling is nothing short of remarkable, the 599 simply doesn’t feel its size.

    One gets out of the 599 slightly dazed the car is shatteringly fast as to make almost any other fast car seems irrelevant but it’s the usability that amazes in equal measure, back in 1971 you wouldn’t want to sit in Friday rush hour and rain pouring rain in your 365 GTB/4, the 599 just shrugs its shoulders and behaves impeccably.

    We are talking about a car here that doesn’t know compromises, everything it does it does superbly well but don’t confuse this ability with a car that clinical, the 599 is far from clinical. The passion that makes all Ferraris special is there and its there in bucket loads, that feeling of sitting in the latest in a long line of V12 powered Ferrari is unrivalled. Hearing that V12 bellow and scream, the sound echoing off the buildings, the feeling of those mighty brakes as you stop in impossibly short distances.

    Its hard so sum up the 599 without looking back, standing next to every Ferrari is a thrill, they are all special, all possess the ability to draw you in, all will give you an incredible driving experience, however when I stand next to the 599 there is a feeling of standing next to something epic, something so utterly bewitching. Ones stomach ties itself in knots, ones palms get slightly damp and dare it I say it there is an inkling of fear. The only other Ferrari that has ever given me the same feeling is the mighty F40, praise comes no higher."
     
  2. DM18

    DM18 F1 Rookie

    Apr 29, 2005
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    After 2 599's I am now 599 less and rather happy to be so. I did not find the 599 to be epic and it certainly did not invoke an inkling of fear. Anything but. The 599 does everything well and is actually a bit boring after a while. At 250kph you are not even near rev limiter in 5th gear!

    Get a grip man! I am a big fan of the 599 but your review is way too much IMO

    F40 is epic. That is why my F40 stays when other short-term infatuations come and go. 599 is a mass production GT not a manic supercar. 599 embodies the spirit of the F40 (according to the 599 launch video) but they are certainly not comparable.

    I have a good feeling about the 430S and can hardly wait for its' arrival. Just maybe it will be epic. Fingers crossed
     
  3. Ferrari 360 CS

    Ferrari 360 CS F1 Veteran

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    The perspective I am comming from is that 20 years after the F40 we have a car with better performance, car that can be driven by most people. Whether a supercar should be so usuable is a debate in itself. Perhaps where the 599 brakes ground is that it is usable in almost any environment.

    Obviously your experience is rather more vast than mine but to me the 599 embodies all of the supercar thrills in a practical package that demands few comprises from owners.

    Of course there is technology that contributes to its brilliance and sometimes I wonder and this is a generalization and not directed at you, if some Ferraristi want bare basic cars that are too extreme and hardcore to actually be driven, no doubt there is a place for this but on paper one can see that even the 430 Scuderia is not as extreme some respects as the 360CS.....

    Having said all that should I ever be in the position of choosing between an F40 or a 599 I cant honestly say what I would choose.....
     
  4. b-mak

    b-mak F1 Veteran

    I'm at a loss as to how riding as a passenger makes one qualified to discuss the dynamics of a vehicle.
     
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  5. Ferrari 360 CS

    Ferrari 360 CS F1 Veteran

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    Will due respect from the passenger seat on can feel such things as body roll and on the track one can definately feel lateral grip and the behavior of the rear end through high speed corners, the same is true of ride quality over bumps and such like.
     
  6. mw575

    mw575 F1 Rookie

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    Ouch! You guys are certainly tough on Jacques!
    His "review" was honest and passionate and he honestly disclosed it was from the passenger seat.
    Flak like above will discourage similar posts.
    Ease up!
     
  7. 2000YELLOW360

    2000YELLOW360 F1 World Champ

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    +1

    Art
     
  8. darth550

    darth550 Six Time F1 World Champ
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    Since we are discussing supercars, why won't your superfriend let you drive?
     
  9. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
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    The 599 IMHO is a great GT car but it's not in any way shape or form a "Super Car". I think you'll Love your 430S especially in light of the other cars you have in your collection.

    Best
     
  10. azew

    azew Formula Junior

    Jul 4, 2006
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    As an owner of a 599, I agree with the statement "the 599 embodies all of the supercar thrills in a practical package that demands few comprises from owners." Well said.

    The 599 is not an F40, nor does it pretend to be - it is not "raw" but has incredible performance - acceleration, handling, ride, transmission, general dynamic feel - it really has it all - Better than an F40? Too subjective a question to answer other than to say, it depends on who you are asking - their preferences, desires, expectations, abilities, intentions, etc. And I am in love with my F430s - for totally different reasons. And the Scuderia should be epic. Are they better? Its like asking which one of your kids do you like best......
     
  11. 410SA

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    First a disclaimer. I love my 599.
    Not because it is a Supercar, (it isn't). But because it is not a Supercar. It is my daily driver and and is absolutely perfect for me in MY specific requirements for my daily car. It is fast, comfortable, predictable, and yes sometimes, in traffic moving at constant speed, a tad boring. Boring in those conditions is good. I don't need a twitchy suspension and erratic power delivery when I am part of phalanx of vehicles moving on a freeway at 75MPH.
    According to the published specs it is a better performer than the F40, but I will take poison on the fact that it feels nothing like the raw adrenaline machine that the F40 is, even when the F40 is taking off from a stoplight on cold tires and you have to modulate the throttle very carefully so as not to swing the back out suddenly.

    I reiterate - I love my 599 and I will keep it for a long time, or at least until its successor is released. If it was a Supercar like the F40 (or F50 for that matter) you'd have to bring heavy artillery to get it away from me - (Heavy artillery can also mean absolutely stupid money BTW :) because these are just cars after all!)
     
  12. mksgr

    mksgr Karting

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    IMHO the Scuderia is neither a supercar. It is the sport version of Ferraris V8 model range.

    Supercars are Enzo, F50, F40...
     
  13. Ferrari 360 CS

    Ferrari 360 CS F1 Veteran

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    Was waiting for this, have driven his 430, 355 and Gransport.....I think I have been around here long enough to not be considered another MDN exotics character or a phantom or a 13 year old kid. There are also F Chatters in SA that have met me.

    Perhap a seperate thread needs to ne started as to what a supercar really is because to me anything that goes like the 599 does can be considered a supercar.

    Of course in raw thrills it cant be compared to the F40 but lets be honest the F40 and its like were thinly disguised racing cars...
     
  14. DM18

    DM18 F1 Rookie

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    Obvious. I never said the 430S was a Supercar. I did say that I hoped that it had a similar effect on me as the F40 which the 599 did not - purely in terms of the driving experience. I understood exactly what Napolis was saying in his post. He is on the same frequency as me but with greater knowledge and I appreciated greatly his comments
     
  15. DM18

    DM18 F1 Rookie

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    You are perfectly entitled to your opinions as a passenger - I have no trouble at all with that

    599 is not a supercar nor is a 430S even though it has near Enzo levels of performance. Performance is far from the criteria as performance is only relevant against peers. 430S benefits from big advances in electronics since the Enzo as does the 997GT2 against the CGT. Production cars catch up quickly to earlier supercars
     
  16. Bandorka

    Bandorka Karting

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    +1

    Let everyone express their feelings without judging their opinions and impressions. Freedom of speech. Do not like it? Do not read it...but certainly dont suppress anyone!
     
  17. Ferrari 360 CS

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    Agreed that technology is constantly advancing but in some respects the 599 has done as much to revolutionise the performance car as the F40 did back in 1987.
    At the end of the day its all about enjoment, everyone has a differant set of criteria as to how thet judge and look at things, for some people a Ferrari is great because of the way peple look at them when they drive it, for others its the history, for others it could be the performance. My point is to clearly define a supercar as being a specific thing is perhaps incorrect as the supercar has evolved and changed a lot in the last 20 or so years.
     
  18. Ferrari 360 CS

    Ferrari 360 CS F1 Veteran

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    Must say I was a bit surprised about some of the flack, but honestly I enjoy good debate and perhaps these forums are a great place to do that in an evironment where everyone can have their say and be truly transparent, though of corse some people choose to deceive, I am not one of those people so comments such as Darths dont really deter me much. Further I firmly beleive that forum debates should be about the subject matter and one should avoid deviating from that start assessing the character of other posters

    Just my R2
     
  19. 410SA

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    I think the single biggest thing that defines a "supercar" is limited production. The 599 is a regular production car and the factory will make as many as they can without any preset limitations.
    The performance aspect is really not an issue here.
     
  20. The Ape

    The Ape Formula 3

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    Good thread......It's all opinion to me. My 430 feels like a "Supercar" to me. I know that it may not fit the criteria set by earlier posts, but I dont care.
     
  21. broganski

    broganski Karting

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    I would count the Enzo, F50, F40 as hypercars. The 599 and 430 are supercars.
     
  22. Ferrari 360 CS

    Ferrari 360 CS F1 Veteran

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    I agree in part but then the CGT cant be called a supercar either as Porsche sold as many as they could, there was never a finite set number to be produced....
     
  23. 410SA

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    Whatever...
     
  24. darth550

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    .......or just some guy who rides in another man's cars?
     
  25. Andy348

    Andy348 Formula 3

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    Hey, hey, I'm not that bad, am I?


    Jokes ;)


    Nice review!
     

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