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These tests are all stupid. The only way to really test the car is over a standing mile... Wow, that is crazy: Your post count is 599!
Say what you want, but to me the 599 is a GT car and cannot be compared to either the SLR or the Carrera GT, which are both sports cars and less GT than the 599. Isnt it filling the gap left by the 575's departure? It may have a ton of horsepower, but it cannot be compared 1 to 1 with either of those cars. It's sort of like taking the Aston Martin against the Enzo. Or something equally silly. Loved both videos, though!
The SLR is an ill conceived supercar when compared to the likes of the Enzo, CGT, Koenigssegg etc, but it is still one hellava fast car. The criticisms of the car have had to do largely with its handling and its "feel" which is very subjective. I think that one of the more objective tests around is the BBC Top Gear track test where, ostensibly, the same driver takes the cars around the same track. Of course weather conditions vary from test to test, but in England that means always damp and overcast with either light drizzle, rain or torrential downpour, so there's no real difference. I believe the 599 will handle at least as well as an SLR in a hard run track test in terms of lap time. Acceleration runs are basically meaningless as they test the simplest of functions only - running hard in a straight line. The Top Gear times make for interesting reading: http://www.topgear.com/content/tgonbbc2/laptimes/thestig/
Yes, I remember where the SLR comes in very close after the CGT on the track (in fact, I thought they had teh same time - did they run the CGT a second time?). I'm sure in daily and even spirited driving, 99.999% people could not get much of a performance difference out of the 599 and SLR. Now that used prices of SLRs are near the retail for the 599 (with no waiting), I wonder if anyone will cross-shop. I wouldn't think of them as competitors naturally, but for those buying a $300K+ GT maybe it would cross their minds.
I don't think you can compare the 599 to the SLR. As the SLR is probably much lighter, and will be quicker than the 599 in this test. Either way the 599 looks amazing, but at the same time i believe the SLR is such a under-rated car.
The SLR is heavier than the 599 by about 250 lbs. The difference in the cars, especially apparent in accelration runs is that the SLR has much more torque at lower revs than than the 599 - 575 ft/lbs at 3250 rpm versus 448 ft/lbs at 5600rpm for the 599. The huge difference in torque acccounts for the SLR's massive striaght line acceleration, but around a track the lighter 599, with the better power to weight ratio should win.
According to the tests, the 599 should've won this race... this certain 599 looks to me slower than what it should to be. Or the SLR could be modified...but I am not saying that it is.
Look at the second run. The driver of the 599 is the problem. Not his car... P.S.: At lower speeds (up to 200kph) both cars should deliver pretty similar performance - as verified by numerous tests; above 200kph the 599 is faster.
A friend of mine has an SLR and when my 599 comes in we will have to drag race. I just don't believe the 599 can't beat it. On the other hand the SLR is a fast car.
In both runs it was the same guy driving the 599. What does it prove? Only that in these particular runs this particular driver lost in this particular 599. The ball is still in the court ,since there were other tests showing different results.
I agree. While the CGT/599 video is broadly consistent with the available (numerous) magazine tests (i.e. CGT roughly 1s quicker up to 125mph than 599GTB) the second video (SLR/599) is clearly not consistent with the available (again numerous) magazine tests. Unfortunately, the second video being misleading reflects back on the first video and destroys some (if not most) of its credibility...
if u looked at the tests carefully, u can see that the 599 gets a bit of head start, but the SLR just practically walks away! i really think it's a "funny" vid. not making neg comments on the SLR of what, but, this has the Enzo engine sitting in it, and it so "slow"
well this thread got worthless quickly with everyone just trying to defend the ferrari. I would say that the 612 is actually replacing the 575 alittle more then the 599. I mean maybe that is not what they intended but honestly the 599 is alot faster then the 575. Anyway the ferrari is slower then both end of story. Does that mean it takes anything away from it at all? No, but you dont have to be the fastest car all the time and most of you guys are always the ones saying there is more to owning a ferrari then speed. In this instance it sounds like you may be having second thoughts on that conclusion.
The 612 replaces the 456 (2+2 GT) and the 599 replaces the 575 (2-seat GT). While you're free to question the driver in the 599, it simply looks like the McLaren SLR and CGT are the quicker cars in the acceleration runs. And, no, I don't believe it takes anything away from any of the cars.
I would not make any definite judgements on performance of these 3 cars based on the above vids. We don't know anything about the drivers involved or if the cars are really 100% stock. For all I know,it could be a staged event or a legitimate test,in other words ,it's just pure "youtube entertainment". In the only verified ,legitimate test that I've seen (EVO),599 was clearly faster then SLR ,at all speeds,being slower only to Veyron. CGT,as being out of production,was not tested....
Both cool cars... but the Ferrari wins just because it doesn't need its model named spelled out in HUGE 6 inches letters inside it's cabin on the dashboard to remind it's geriatric owner what the hell he is driving.
And you think 599 owners will ever push any of their car's other limits? Acceleration runs are all those cars will see. Only very, very few will track them.
While the SLR is aesthetically challenged at best, it is a fast car. McClaren knows a little bit about making cars. The last one they produced (F1) wasn't too bad. In fact 15 years later it may still be the greatest supercar ever made. Top Gear's driver (the Stig) got almost identical times for the SLR and the Carrera GT around their circuit so its not just a drag racer. All that said, I think the SLR is pretty ugly and would much rather have the 599.
The market speaks volumes. SLR's can be bought new off several dealers' floors today, discounted quite heavily to the $375K range. There is one in particular, a dark blue one that has been offered to me with increasing levels of discount by a local dealer. 599's on the other hand are literally unobtainable, certainly not available new without a several year delay and if you really want one you have to be prepared to pay around $500,000. So regardless of the performance gap (if there is one) or any perceptions of the SLR being touted as a true supercar, the market has tilted in favor of the 599 currently. The same can be said for the CGT versus the 599 10 years from now it may be very different between these cars but today the 599 rules
So true.... No matter what the "experts" are predicting or saying,the Market always shows what the REAL story is,be it the exotic car market or any other subject.
Wait 3/4 years and you will see the same price drop to the 599. The only reason the 599 is in high demand at present is because its the new kid on the block thus being fashionable. CGT and SLR were released in 2003/4. You also need to consider the badge factor in your market analysis. Wasnt it the case that 430 prices were not too far off CGT prices in the US? We all know which is the better car out of those two. And why did the 599 lose? Maybe it was because the Ferrari factory support team were not present like they were on the AMS/Evo tests.
