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Might help if you posted this in the right section.

 

288 GTO is just a hopped up 308, but it's in this section. . .

 

LOL, don't tell that to 288 GTO owners.

In all fairness, the 288 GTO actually shares very little with a 308. A 599 GTO is 95% the same as a 599 GTB.

 

p4/5 competizione should be based on a 430 scuderia it seems, so why in this section as well?
if we considere that the 599 GTO engine is more or less the enzo one with additionnal 10 hp, a better top speed and acceleration than the enzo and when we also know that the 288 GTO was never raced and having any race success, so the 599 GTO even not being a supercar is in the right section.
Just my opinion.

 

and real GTOs arent even discussed in this section... so... maybe it does belong here

 

Which do you think will be faster around the Ring P 4/5 Competizione or the 599 GTO?

 

Oh I totally see your point. But this section is based on what Ferrari considers their supercars over the years it seems. And there are only four.

 

Well played Jim!

 

Already been on this argument http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=278023, the purists will not recognise the 599 GTO as a supercar, as it’s just a tweaked 599, still quicker than an Enzo though.

 

Amen.

The trend of everyone wanting to label everything a "supercar" and also creating a "hypercar" category is ridiculous... it's like some 5th grader's dream took off and created an internet sensation.

Supercar is not necessary relative to performance, but more relative to the production numbers, methods of production, proportions, and general exclusivity. All supercars are very low, wide, etc. They generally aren't all gizmoed up like a 599 is.

PS: 599GTO is a sweet car, but in the end it's "just" a factory tuned 599

 

Interesting there hasn't been a Ring time posted for the 599 GTO, yet, though it's been testing there for a bit, now.

They did come forward w/this one, though ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJj8atDGBzk

Do you guys have a Ring target # in mind for the Competizione?

 

To contest the 24, have fun and not embarrass ourselves.

 

So why don't we speek in this thread about the MR400 from scuderia maranello in belgium, independent chassis, 400 hp ferrari engine, barchetta look, and certainly more efficient than a 430 scuderia! same as p4/5 competizione?
Don't worry, I am pushing the discussion just for fun as I myself would be pleased to launch as well a concept of "radical sr8" chassis with a 430 scuderia TT engine raising 600 hp, just for fun and to relaunch the 333 sp concept, just a dream now, but I hope a reality one day

 

well, I would hope the gutted out race car that doesn't have to pass emissions, sound regulations, as well as crash tests... would be faster.

otherwise you should just buy the 599 and run it... but thats not your style,

Please don't take this as a cut down on your project. I think its fantastic and wish you and all your supporters/contributors the absolute best...

I think my point is valid even if it does not coincide with the Glickenhouse bandwagon. (again, Jim, please don't take offense, its just a natural occurrence on the internet that when you are an internet celeb you get your own band wagon... Hell... I wish I had one LOL) Its all in good fun, and I stand by my point

 

well, at least the P4/5C will be converted back for street use afterwards...thus the point for using a Scuderia...

 

In full street legal form she'll likely be faster than in race mode as the Le Mans F1 GTR's were.

Keep in mind in race form she'll have to run air restrictors and ballast to bring her up to minimum required weight.

 

very cool. I stand corrected

 

its going to be alot of work to get that car to pass emissions still. But perhaps you won't have to do it for 5 years like in AZ.

I would imagine that you are going to have to swap the factory computer for something like a motec, which will disable OBD. Then when you bring it back to street trim, you will have to put the stock computer back in it and run everything on the stock computer... or I guess you could have the stock computer in place and dummied up with the appropriate resistors in line to trick OBD... which will be alot of work. Or maybe something that I will allow you to use the factory computer throughout the build, which would be awesome... because then you wont have to reinvent the wheel.

I am not trying to sound like a know it all so please don't take it that way. I have spent lots of time with this issue and dealing with it, and with every different brand of car there is a different solution. I haven't dealt with it on a ferrari, and am genuinely interested what your team is going to run as a computer and if it will change for the street set up.

Of course the easiest solution is to just put a dealer plate on the back of the thing and run the race computer

 

Nope.

Race car will use a race engine/ gearbox/ ecu. After race street engine/gearbox and ECU's will be put back in and FIA roll cage encased as it is in P 4/5. In race form it will be basically a GT2. Keep in mind that the Nurburgring is a street course so ride height won't be ground scraping even with race suspension. Street version will have nose lifter for speed bumps. All headlights etc will be DOT and we'll keep AC etc. operative.

The class we'll run in is basically GT2 Experimental, Experimental as P 4/5 isn't a homolagated car.

We've had inquiries from other well know venues so who knows.

We may even wind up running a few races.

 

The factory has stated that the 599 GTO is basically a detuned 599XX and NOT a tweaked 599. I also seriously doubt that Ferrari would just disregard the historical significance of the GTO name strictly as a marketing tool. i believe many of those on this forum have seriously underestimated this car and what it represents. The GTO is a major shift in both mechanicals and marketing policy for the company. The XX was built for the select few. While others have the means to field their own speciality race cars.
The GTO will reach out to a larger segment of its customer base. A new niche has been created that will allow more of us to actually feel and experience the reality of F1 performance driving. For the first time we will be able to appreciate what its like to test both the limits of this car if not ourselves. To date, all the first drive reviews have been outstanding. I have to believe that a lot of the anti GTO rhetoric is coming from those that realized too late that they missed the opportunity to buy one. While others want to believe that Ferrari is no longer capable of building cars that can eclipse what was built 10 to 40 years ago. Ferrari badged the 599 a GTO because they consider this car to be worthy of super car status. Maybe we should believe it too.

 

No question it will be a great car. Don't agree that it will enable customers to experience: "the reality of F1 performance driving".

The GTO is also quite different than an XX.

Back to the op's question. IMO it's certainly possible that the 599 GTO will suffer depreciation.

 

Thats very cool.

Glad you are saving the scud engine and transmission etc... for street use. I haven't really seen the roll cage encased in the P4/5. Thats great because many people don't realize how dangerous it is to drive with a full cage on the street with no helmet.

I really can't wait to follow the progress. I am excited to see what livery you will be running. But I am a paint dweeb at the same time so i am kind of into it.


Thanks for answering my questions!

 

They could have spec'd how many boxes of Ferragamo shoes would fit in the boot, but that's not as sexy as lap times. The 599 GTO for anything other than a driver education event is a risky proposition; unsafe and costly if introduced to armco. Cool car? Absolutely and anyone who wants a 599 GTO will get one, I don't think anyone has missed the boat.

 

Totally True.