599GTB Harcore version !! good idea????

While Mountain Biking today, thinking random thoughts as normal, it popped into my head how well a 599GTB would translate into a light Weight, stripped out, high downforce , hardcore track focused version.

With Merc now offering ultra-hardcore Black Series editions of many of its AMG range. BMW will no dout produce more CSL M products following on from the success of the E46 M3 CSL. And also the fact that Porsche's GT and RS range seems to be going from strength to strength, surely there would be a place for harder 599 of a similar mold..

A realistic drop of say, 200 kg (440 lbs ), using carbon parts / panels and other racey parts etc, and hike in power to a possible, 650 / 660 bhp ( Enzo engine power), would pump up the power to weight ratio to around the 440 bhp per ton mark, that would put it in the same power to weight league as the Carrera GT , f40, MC12 etc etc. I'am sure you would agree the results could be spectacular.
And how about calling it the 599 GTO !!!!!

What you guys and girls think ???

Charlie..

 

300 kgs less please.

 

No probs As we all know, weight is the Enemy !!!

 

its a great idea, i just doubt it will happen

 

I really do think it would be very fitting for Ferrari to make an ultra-car with Enzo matching performance thats Front engined...

 

thanks, this kit has been discussed at length...personally, i generally dislike 'tack ons' such as that...not cohesive enough... but as far as a light wt 599, it would be wicked if executed properly... a la GT1 racer crossed with CS type car...700hp, 3000lbs, yummy...

 

Ah, then I apologize for the redundancy. If you didn't notice previously, that was my first post ever on the forum, I've been a member for all of 5 minutes or so. Post deleted.

Back to topic, yes, a lightweight track version of the 599 would be an amazing idea, the only problem I could stir up would be the weight distribution. It being a front engine car, you can reduce weight everywhere but the engine, which may make it front-heavy and possibly induce understeer. Just a thought.

 

I like the idea. Unfortunately it will probably never happen.

 

it's not really 'front' engine...it actually has rear biased wgt distrib. look at Corvette, or Aston DBR9...both 'front' engine, but massively effective...engines are very far back behind front axle...suspension mounting pts, all revised, etc...understeer, not a big deal there...

 

Heh, if you look at the engine bay the rear 4 cylinders are tucked up under the firewall... Also comparable to an S2000, where the entire engine sits rearward of the front axle (technically making it a mid engined car, but who cares). Still, I'm surprised they tend to be rear-heavy, having the engine ahead of the driver usually means more weight in front regardless of it being pushed back. As for the understeer argument, I do believe I read an article where they said (after testing it on a track) that the 599 GTB did have that tendency, I'll have to cite my sources before it's set in stone though.

Oh well, point null, I don't know enough about the car to really make an argument... Just putting in my 2 uninformed cents.

 

Well I'm sure they will have a LeMans racing version of it like they did for the 575 and 550.

 

That would be an excellent idea!

150kg less, maybe some 30-50hp more, a even sportier suspension setup.

The result would be terrific!

 

understeer is engineered into most production cars for safety/more predictable handling (even the 430 is setup for mild understeer)...not necessarily due to the mere placement of engine...lots of things, ie, battery, tranny are place in back, giving weight offset...even though engine is in front of driver, it's not too much of an issue...the relatively light wgt engine (touch less than 500lbs) helps bigtime..and that 80% of the cars weight is in-between the axles, is highly beneficial, allowing 599 superb dynamics.. if taken to GT1 extremes it shows how far front-mid layout can go...front-mid Panoz LMP car showed potential in its day...

 

I think the chances or a hardcore 599 are much greater then it was for the 550/575. The basic marketing for the 599, and the whole mood of the car is of a large Gt Sportscar. Where as the 550/575 was always a pure GT...

Montezemolo's vision for the 599, was of a everyday useble vehicle, with the performance, passion and excitment of an F40.

I also think Ferrari might do a little one-up-man-ship on its old rival Lambo, with a harder 599 to do battle with the Murcielago LP640..

 

It sounds like a great idea to me.

Carbon fiber everywhere, a few more HP, some new aero accents (more effective rear diffuser, etc.), and maybe a new weal design would really be cool.

 

Agree.
Would be a killer, but probably will never see the light of day, unless someone does the mods to their own car. Custom CF bumpers, seats, interior ect.....

 

My guess:

- we'll eventually see a performance package for the 599, as we did with the 575

- we'll see a full race version of the 599, as we did with the 575

- we'll see a 599 convertible, as we did in the Super America

- we'll never see a stripped down 360 challenge stradale style 599, just as we never saw one for the 575

 

Yep. That pretty much sums it up.

 

And only available with 3 pedals. No autos.

 

No chance. Any real high end performance car will simply have better and better F1. I like shifting with a stick but Superfast is truly amazing

 

This will NEVER happen.

Put simply, the buying demographic don't want it in any significant numbers. (otherwise they'd be in Carrera GTs OR are ALREADY in Carrera GTs)

 

In my opinion the 599 is an elegant, fine car, something after the modern style. Kinda whimsical idea, but who knows? ...

 

+1 to WCH.

best regards,
Jerry

 

they will definately make the race version of the 599 to replace the 550 in lemans,damn i can't wait for that.

 

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