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6.0 Shock Problem

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  1. whart

    whart F1 Veteran
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    So, i think i have a shock problem, but suprisingly, i don't think its the front one, which, anecdotally, seem to be more prone because of the lift system. Last time i drove, there were some groaning creaks, when i got the car home i noticed that the ride setting was on 2/3, rather than on 1, where it defaults. I read up in John Monahan's site about the diagnostic system for the shocks- he mentioned a switch- on the 6.0 there are 3 in a box, but one is marked Koni Diagnostic. Went thru the steps on the first procedure and after i hit the 'Auto' button, the error lite just kept blinking repeatedly- not in grouped pulses that would indicate which corner was problematic.
    I do not want to screw around with it, so the good Mr. De Groot will pick up the car monday morning, and go over it. Any thoughts, or similar experiences on this? (I have not used the front lift system, per the advice of many). Also, reading Monahan's site, including the message from the Koni representative, it looks like an unfinished story, ie are there replacements that are less problematic/do away with the adjustable feature for more reliability? I guess my concern isn't replacing one or several shocks this first time round, but i'd like to know that the problem is not a design flaw that will recur simply because the shocks cannot withstand the weight of the car!@#?
     
  2. cgperry

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    Bill -

    Mine's a 99, not a 6.0, but I had a similar problem when I got mine. The error light kept coming on, although I didn't see any real ride problem. I went through the Lamboweb diagnostics and narrowed it down to one of the left rear shocks. However, when I plugged it and unplugged it (the shock connector), I could hear the motor run, so I knew it was working.

    I just kept driving it and eventually it started acting correctly. There is a potentiometer in addition to the motor and apparently it wasn't moving like it should. Driving the car freed it up.

    I know your car had very few miles when you bought it. Mine was the same. My advice would be to keep driving it - it seems like one of those types of mechanisms that stiffen or freeze with garage queen status. Now that you're putting real miles on the car, it may solve itself like mine did.
     
  3. whart

    whart F1 Veteran
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    OK, here's the diagnosis, per Wil DeGroot- one of the left rear shocks has an electronics problem- the shock itself is not bad; but the message sent to the ECU is putting the suspension into the "3" setting by default, which as those of you with these cars know, is pretty stiff for your average NY road. So, while i could continue to drive the car in this condition, i think that's asking for more pummelling than the suspension deserves, and may (this is my intepretation, not attributed to Wil), only exacerbate the failure of that, or another shock.
    I'm told while he and others have been mightily striving for alternatives, it's virtually impossible to rebuild these things, taking into account the electronics. So, another shock is on it's way-
     
  4. ralfabco

    ralfabco Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Will. I (heard) that you might be able to protect the shock, by trying to avoid using the lift feature. I am not sure about this. You may want to ask someone that really would know.
     
  5. Napolis

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    What say EWC???
     
  6. whart

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    Ralph- I think your comment about avoiding use of the front lift system is valid, for the front shocks. This is a rear shock. It's adjustable not in the sense of a "lift system" (as the fronts) but the overall suspension either auto adjusts to road and driving conditions, or can be manually set (You knew that).I'd be willing to forgo the automatic/manual adjustability for reliability, but that's a more involved project, and would entail replacing all 6 shocks, and then some. In the long run, that might be best, i don't know. I will be working with Wil on this, but in the interest of time, want to get the car on the road.

    Jim: As to the warranty, i haven't even looked at it to see if it covers shock absorbers. If it does (and i will look) i have every confidence that Ben will deal with me properly, and will obviously report here if otherwise.
     
  7. bentasm1

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    Odd problem to have -- Very rarely do the rear shocks need replacing on a 6.0. Will is one of the best and will take care of it.

    Currently on my Orange 6.0 the front left shock is leaking, and the lifting system has never been used. Lamborghini should allow Koni to sell the shocks to the public to reduce the cost on them, but they currently are not allowed by contract. That's why their "lifetime" shock warranty does not apply. This is one problem that I feel Lamborghini has dropped the ball on. The entire system should have been recalled. New shock on the way here as well.

    -Ben
     
  8. Napolis

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    Bill
    IMO if you're planning to really use this car you may want to talk to Will about what's involved in a manual new system that works.
    What good is a system that can't be used (lift) without risking damage?
    I realize this is a slippery slope.
    Best
     
  9. bentasm1

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    The lift system is somewhat pointless to begin with anyhow. While it may prevent a nose scrape here or there, the first time you dont use it the damage is done. I've yet to see a Lambo without the bottom nose scraped up. :)

    -Ben
     
  10. Greg G

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    Bill... FWIW I remember Eduardo getting those error codes on his 6.0 - it prevented him from making any setting changes. Ask him abt this at Greenwich next weekend.
     
  11. wings

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    Hopefully they will figure out which of the two are the problem and get the right one. A friend of mine had one replaced only to find out that the other shock was also bad and had to replaced later. the mechanic used a hearing device to listen for the electric solenoid top find the defective shock.
     
  12. racerdj

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    Mine included.
     

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