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6 Speed Conversion

Discussion in '360/430' started by rsmitchell10, Dec 14, 2019.

  1. paulchua

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    Truly the dream. A scud with 6 speed.

    Who knows? If this takes off..perhaps a 458 with 7? (is that possible?)
     
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  3. Natkingcolebasket69

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    Ttforce fed the goat of fchat!


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  4. colorfull

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    Congratulations @ttforcefed, so very awesome.

    Speaking as an owner of a conversion, agreed that you get much more out of the performance, probably some actual, probably some perceived, there is something about having your hand on the shifter through the revs and having all of the car's power in your hands and at your feet, scary, risky, exciting and thrilling

    I had mine out today and I got the same exact feeling that I've had being on super coasters at 6 flags, insanely great
     
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  8. Way2fast

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    Welcome to my world. I love making downshifts

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  9. mchas

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    So much awesome in this one photo! Love seeing that endless row of lifts!
     
  10. ttforcefed

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    gonna take out the f1 and stick back to back, im really curious to do the compare/contrast live. will ask a cple of my friends who are better drivers to participate as well so there are more perspectives.
     
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  11. catdog

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    Congrats, just took out my 6-spd F430 EAG conversion for a quick drive on the dry roads before next snow storm hits...
    Definitely a more direct connection to the engine (I'm sure it's subjective) but engine/transmission/clutch connection is amazing, shift linkage action is perfect and coupled with immediate throttle response/light flywheel means it's a forever keeper...
     
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    I found that the F1 was a party to drive. Pure fun and the safety net of the car controlling shifts so worry free excitement

    The 6spd is more of a challenge, but with that you get the commensurate reward
     
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    What did Miller charge for the conversion vs. EAG?
     
  16. ttforcefed

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    Pretty sure they’re charging the same price. Call and ask.
     
  17. Zed82

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    My Ferrari specialist did the job in 50 hours without any prior experience at all.
     
  18. ShineKen

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    Give us the run down man. How does the 360 Modificata feel? Comparison to CS, Scud, manual F430?
     
  19. Twosherpaz

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    Honestly, it’s a slow car. All of those mentioned are. With nannies off it is fun in the corner, then it’s a long way to the next corner.

    But today I drove my GT3 racecar two sessions, and compared the 675 and 765 one session each, (trying to chase down some 488 Challenge cars with lesser drivers in them). Had I been in the 360, I’d have been a moving chicane.
     
  20. 360trev

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    Well your comparing current generation cars like a carbon tubbed 765LT with typically 780rwhp (885 and 900 hp @ flywheel) and around 2,963 lbs kerb with a full tank of fuel to a 22+ year old vehicle design that came out in late 90's with (in stock form 335-345 rwhp) with similar kerb weight. That's just a night and day difference, if there wasn't considerable improvements in performance there would be something "seriously" wrong. Try comparing equivalent PC processors, a Pentium II of similar vintage to a 360 vs a i9 of McLaren era... Its around x500 faster :)

    Having said all that I would counter that on anything but a track modern supercars are "extremely" frustrating experiences. I tend to prefer driving my 360 on the public road to my Stage #1 tuned 700hp McLaren 12C. The McLaren ends up making every single journey a frustration and exercise in self-restraint. Your always waiting patiently at the next cars rear end (with appropriate safe distance) and even if you have clear roads your well into unreasonable speeds in seconds of full throttle. The only time you can actually deploy the extra power available is exactly in the circumstance you describe, on a track. Which for most people is a rare event, in their busy lives, so the cars spend the majority of time on the public roads.

    And then we aren't even talking about driver enjoyment either. Who's having more fun? The guy doing it himself or the guy who's relying on a vast array of computer software to keep it shiny side up? I swear the McLaren is so easy to drive (not just McLaren but all these newer generation vehicles, Ferrari's included) that they tend to be quite bit boring in comparison, especially on public roads unless your prepared to risk everything for a few second of point and squirt just to get your "fix" of adrenaline.

    And not "Every" 360 is alike... My 360 wouldn't be a chicane, it may not keep up on the straights but on a twisty track it would hold its own, with 250kg weight drop, 600LT alike handling agility and around 450hp its not LT fast but its plenty fast enough to have fun and keep up with a 458 or Scuderia.
     
  21. FordGTDriver

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    Supercars are fun to own, and fun to drive. Sort of. I've got a Pista and a GT3RS. Funny how I seem to gravitate to my 993TT. Got a CS coming (if Mother Nature on the east coast will cooperate) and can't wait to feel how "slow" it is. :)
     
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  22. veilstylez

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    @ttforcefed congrats...been wanting to buy a 430 and convert one too.
     
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  23. Twosherpaz

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    I was simply asked my opinion. I gave it.

    I could not disagree more with your comment about modern day cars being undriveable on roadways. I drove the La Ferrari Aperta yesterday over a windy mountain pass for a few hours. One of the most fun experiences of my life. The hour on the freeway was also an event.

    The 765 LT, stock, is a great car. Fun on track and street. I’ve driven it eight hours straight twice and enjoyed the experience.

    I’ve driven my Pistas and Speciales and TdFs quite a bit on the roadways and relished every minute.

    A couple months ago I drove my F50 two hours in traffic and over a mountain pass. It ranks as perhaps my most enjoyable drive ever.

    I also didn’t address driving the Modificata on the street. I simply said on the track the turns were fun, on the straight it was slow. I love driving my CS on the street. As I do my Enzo. Old school doesn’t mean not fun. I never said that.
     
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  24. 360trev

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    Sorry didn't mean to come across aggressive. Just a friendly debate amongst enthusiasts.

    I personally don't think the extra power or even the extra exclusivity of ownership of a truely rare car equates directly to more enjoyment, some people do and that just fine, everyone derives their enjoyment of these cars in different ways. Since I now live by the sea I found I'd rather buy a luxury yacht for example rather than go after a hypercar. Different folks, different strokes. I'll tell you how that works out in a seperate thread

    If your driving on relatively congested roads the extra power can mean you literally have less time engaged having fun. Also if your trying to adhering to road legal speed limits it just becomes frustrating as you bounce up to the limit so quickly. Yes you can have fun on lightly trafficked roads in a seriously fast car but your in more jerpody of license loss if you get into the sweet spot of fun on the current crop of supercars. Your just going so much faster as a consequence of all that extra grunt.

    Is 1,000 hp really necessary? On many journeys its just too much and it dominates everything about the drive. Not necessarily bringing more enjoyment. Every car has a fun sweet spot and ofcourse and you can have just as much fun in a featherlight car with under 200hp as a 1,000 one if your attuned to its handing and power bands. I even have fun driving hire cars!

    Also power is now under the control of computer algorithms (I know I've reverse engineered them and can see exactly how intrusive they now are) so you can be brutal with the throttle for example and the computer works out exactly what power needs to applied to individual wheels and brakes. Some call that progress, I'm not so sure. It leads to very little skill being required and therefore makes driving less interesting to me, they just aren't as engaging. Its an inevitable conclusion of going to so much power I guess. Where do we draw the line? 5,000hp? 10,000? When is enough enough?

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  25. Twosherpaz

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    Faster is more fun.

    It is easy to know non car people as they mock top speed as being absurd. I ask them, do you ever need to merge onto a freeway? Going from say 20 to 60 mph in a hurry? Of course they admit they do. I say well, I can get there three times faster than you, so I am safer when I merge and able to better control how I assimilate into traffic.

    I have no beef with you 360trev. Your Modified 360 is a cool car. One of the best.
     
  26. ttforcefed

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    driving my car whenever it doesnt snow...feeling better and better...no second gear grind in February!!!!
     
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    Any update on the Miller video?
     
  28. Danedingerson

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    The C8 Corvette understands this and is designed to perform on real roads. They raced it against a 770 plus hp Demon
    and it won easily with 500 hp in the first 1000
    ft.
     

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