612 Scaglietti Shootingbreak

"This term [station wagon] refers to a car big enough to haul people and luggage to and from a railway station. Originally, it referred to horse-drawn carriages (the term dates to 1894). The term was transferred to automobiles in 1904..."

"The term Estate car was used to designate a car used on an estate, for transporting passengers, goods and things that would not fit into the saloon car. City folk would not normally need or want the extra weight or cargo capacity."

 

Yep, and at the same time, station wagon literally meant the car used to collect guests who were coming to visit your country estate from the train station.

EDIT: Sorry YLSHIH - I started writing this and didn't finish it until after your previous post!

 

Michiel

Jims car is as much a "factory approved" conversion as Clive's (Jim contacted PF without Ferraris direct involvement, have you not actually read his posts?), having conversed with both of them I'd be tempted to say the only difference is that Jim is fortunate in that he has more spare cash, they are both avid enthusiasts of the art of coach building that has been almost lost to Ferrari’s during the last 35 years.

I know Clive well enough to say that even if he did have Jim’s resources he'd still be working away to make his Mondial how he wants it........although he'd have a few decent CNC machines to make up parts and a bigger workshop

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and having seen the quality of design Clive’s put into his previous TVR projects there’s nothing to indicate the Mondial Z wont be a stunning motorcar when finished (I've seen the sketches and heard the ideas YOU haven’t!)

The only difference between Zertec and Pinin Farina is the size of the organisations and the resources available to them.

 

Micheal

Both the Bentley and Ferrari look ace. Very talented!

 

I was not going to reply further, however, I changed my mind overnight.

How far do you take your stance? Your drawings are, in effect, personalizing/customizing a Ferrari.

Yes you can. Who are you to imply that I have bad/no taste when you worked at Spyker and are proud of those bling-beasts?

You are of course entitled to your opinion on whether you like the updated Mondial, art is in the eye of the beholder. I don’t like Spyker cars OR concepts.

BTW what do you think of the original Mondial 8 design?

Take off the rose tinted spectacles, as Andrew said, there is no legal difference between Jim’s P4/5 and my Mondial Z.

So you agree that Novitec are ok. They are no more factory approved or less professional than Zertec.

You sir, are a hypocrite.


Continue dreaming. I have no time for this sort of criticism from someone who holds up Spyker as his credentials.

BTW I thank Andrew, Steve and Ryan for their support on this thread and the others who have expressed interest elsewhere (including Jim).

 

So does a Saloon car mean what I think it means?

Sounds good to me.

Don't drink and drive, you might hit a bump and spill some.

 

Apparently, "saloon" is a variant spelling of "salon". At the time, salon referred to the roominess and furnishings of the larger passenger cars, particularly chauffeur-driven, deriving from the meaning of salon as a well-furnished public hall or public cabin (if on a boat). The American usage of saloon as a place to drink apparently has similar roots from the meaning of a large public hall.

 

Zertec, I think you're getting stressed over nothing. Personally I also do not like the design you have come up with, should you care, hell no. If I was to do a project like yours, maybe you would not approve of my design. But I have to admit that I am very very impressed with you skills and I really do enjoy looking at your thread, btw waiting for a update!

As a professional designer maybe Michiel is a bit more b*tchy, kind of like those gay fashion designers. As you have put your design out there for us to see and follow, I expect you should be willing to recieve both compliments and criticisms alike. Stop wasting time defending your design, the time could be better spent on your car so you could update you thread more regularly.

For me, its just a pity I can't do body work like you and I can't design like Michiel.

Cheers, Neil

 

Words are my business - you did.

So what part(s) are as you intended?

So your heroes had difficulty with a 2+2 mid-engine layout.

Ah, so all I have to do is be around for a long time rebodying/designing Ferraris and then I will be acceptable.

You didn’t hurt. As I said, you are entitled to your opinions, they just appeared contradictory and lacked logic. I attacked the logic and the rather heavy implications.


That said, however, I like your Photoshop skills, which is why I suggested you could give an impression of the finished Mondial Z.

I wish you luck in your car design career but it is a hard one to succeed at.





The Mondial Z will be completed this year.

 

That is how to criticise in a balanced way!

Yes, I knew that the design would not be liked by all and I have no problem with that at all. I am pleased that the progress of the project entertains even those who don't like the design.


Update: still doing the boring symmetry, hence no new pictures.

 

Since you bring me into this with my quote, keep in mind that Novitec merely adds new front and rear valences, they do not change the body in any permanent way. They use a sometimes tacky rear spoiler, but you don't have to have it if you don't want it. You can go back to factory stock without problem. The type of changes as being done to the Mondial are the owners taste, rather extensive, and since its his car, he should do what he wants irrespective of others opinions. But I would not compare him to Pininfarina.

 

We'll agree to disagree and I'll see you in 60 years.

 

Jim commisioned PF to build the car NOT Ferrari, all credit goes to Jim and PF, As Ferrari didnt even supply the donor car how can they get any real credit for the design

some of the most important and beautifull ferraris built were designed outside of the PF/Ferrari relationship for example the 166 barchetta by Touring or the early Vignale cars

 

You seem to be someone impressed by the brand name. The reality is that both Ferrari and Pininfarina have "gone corporate" for a long time. Some residue of the founders' spirits persist, but once the founders are gone, it's an open question whether their successors truly understand or would act in the same way as the founders.

The only people that deserve the kind of unreserved confidence that you express are Enzo and Battista, who are gone. Everyone else in the Ferrari or Pininfarina organizations only hopes to carry on in their spirit and with their fire given the example that they set. Since the successors are not the same people, sometimes they will succeed and sometimes they will fail. There are also many enthusiasts, such as Jim G., who carry on with a kindred spirit and if their efforts match or eclipse the founders, that demonstrates the strength of the founders fire heightened further by the heat of their own flames.

But everyone remaining, whether they work for Ferrari or Pininfarina or are independent, uses that original spirit as their guiding light ... and it is not exclusive. That was their gift to us.

 

The Maserati Quattroporte basically is a 4-door 612. The side profile to that photoshop is very close. What would have been cool is if they used it's V-12 in the QP.

 

Hey hey hey...try a 599 GTB convertible !

 

How long does it take to modify a car like that?