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'74 365 GT4 Boxer for sale in US.

Discussion in 'Boxers/TR/M' started by PWehmer, May 2, 2005.

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  1. PWehmer

    PWehmer Formula 3

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    ! I got so excited when I got an email about this car- this is just the car I want next & and some work doesn't scare me off. But after seeing the pictures and reading the history of the car i see a major money pit. Lots of work to go + unknown engine/tranny. Sure the engine is rebuilt but it hasn't run since 1986?

    Great looks to the car- no nasty US side markers.

    Other's thoughts?

    http://www.ferraris-online.com/pages/carintro.php?reqcardir=FE-365BB-18135#P025
     
  2. thecarreaper

    thecarreaper F1 World Champ
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    why the yellow paint inside the doors? i LOVE Boxers, but geeze thats alot for one that needs all that work, they would have been better off putting it together, and cleaning it before selling it. sad........ and i want one. :(
     
  3. chevalcabre

    chevalcabre Formula Junior

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    35000 $ car.... all the money.. that is probably what they paid. i would pay 35-38000
     
  4. Glassman

    Glassman F1 World Champ
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    I can't even think about the time this car will eat up. If you are retired and have disposable income, there are better deals out there.
     
  5. Birdman

    Birdman F1 Veteran

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    Because the car was originally yellow and it was repainted red.

    NO WAY man, not for $49K. I would think seriously about a project like this for $20K. At $49K I would hold out for a complete one for $75K!

    Birdman
     
  6. tjacoby

    tjacoby F1 Rookie

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    to quote from the website:
    Original color was Dino Blue Metallic

    One sad looking 365GT4/BB

    why would someone convert from RHD to LHD, would of been cheaper to put it back to RHD when things stalled?
     
  7. xs10shl

    xs10shl Formula 3

    Dec 17, 2003
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    Can't seem to find the mileage on the listing. Based on the history, car couldn't have been roadworthy for more than 2 months of it's life. Visible wear on the various parts seem to suggest otherwise.
     
  8. shaughnessy

    shaughnessy Formula 3
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    The car allegedly has a S/N issue. The s/n it is sporting came off a burned car out of England, tht is no more. The S/n for this car is on a NORWOOD P3/4 replica

    This car was offered to me, I did not like the s/n issue, tough story to tell.

    Mike paid 28000 FOB Texas and knows all about the serial number swap.

    Is that mentioned anywhere in the presentation?????
     
  9. PWehmer

    PWehmer Formula 3

    Oct 15, 2002
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    Who can tell how many miles now? The interior & body are from different cars & the motor has a rebuild.

    Serial # issues too? Ouch. Wouldn't touch it with a 10 ft. pole @ $50K.

    Sad. Very sad.
     
  10. Ashman

    Ashman Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Whoa, that is one serious project that will take a LOT of time and dollars to finish the car to get what, a car with a very checkered past and other "issues" that will still be worth a big discount to a car without those clouds in its history?

    The mileage is irrelevant, even though it probably accumulated less than 1,000 miles in the 4-6 weeks before it was crashed originally. All it is now is a 31 year old salvage car with a 19 year old engine "rebuild" (on a car that was driven no more than 6 weeks in its life???) that needs to be torn down again to have all of its seals, gaskets and belts changed.

    Never hurts to ask for a high price but Mr. Sheehan is highly optimistic on this one and really is looking for the rube falling off of the turnip truck to lift his offer.

    Just MHO, of course!

    John
     
  11. Sean F.

    Sean F. F1 Rookie

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    Does it even have DOT paper work and even if was put all back together, can you even register it in the US?
     
  12. Kds

    Kds F1 World Champ

    $25K for the car (it's really a parts car IMHO)......$15K for the repaint to the original color......$25K for the engine....$25K for the transaxle......$15K for the interior......$20K misc stuff......$125 total.......

    Too much work, too much money and too many stories at resale time.
     
  13. Sean F.

    Sean F. F1 Rookie

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    Looks like it needs at a minimum (lets assume you could get the engine to run and it had good numbers – yeah, right!).

    Prices from Ferrari Owners Site
    Front and Rear Lower Body Clips (front from 512=$900, Rear from 365=$700)
    Window Glass ($750 each + $160each for ¼-glass)
    Window motors (are they there?) N/A from F.Owers
    Interior Door Trim (~$1000)

    So we’re up to almost $4000 for the doors and bumpers alone. YIKES!

    You could spend $20,000 in parts alone and assuming you could get most of them installed by yourself you’d save something there, But when you add in engine parts (likely won’t turn over but who knows) – add $15,000 for parts alone assuming you get JE or other pistons in lieu of some Ferrari parts). You’re up to $84,000 right there and it still needs paint and leather.

    You can find an awefully nice BB512 for that kind of money.

    And the dash, is it supposed to be two pieces like that?
     
  14. rsvmille676

    rsvmille676 Formula Junior

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    I feel it would make an excellent track car or reproduction 365/512 BBLM project. Given its condition and S/N issues its gonna take a truck load of $$$ to get back in driving condition anyway. Why not go all out.
     
  15. westmfg1

    westmfg1 Rookie

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    365BBs are north of $110k now, Sheehan knows the market and boxers which early ones are hot now, low $40s is about right for this car, not that I would pay it but someone will.
     
  16. msdesignltd

    msdesignltd Two Time F1 World Champ
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    This is a great candidate for Chip Foose....Overhaulin this car into a radical ride, of course puttin in a small block chevy would be cheaper than bring that back to spec!
     
  17. Ashman

    Ashman Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Good question. Almost certainly not, since it arrived in the U.S. as a project and has never been in a condition where it could be tested. Just another little cost and hassle to buy this gem.

    This car's destiny is as a parts car.

    John
     
  18. westmfg1

    westmfg1 Rookie

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    The old DOT myth is alive and well, cars made before 1980 are exempt from DOT rules and can be imported at will, all this car needs is to pass emmission requirements for its year if neccessary.

    There are less than 250 365BBs left in the world, this car will be restored. 365BBs will be $200k+ cars in 5 years or less.
     
  19. shaughnessy

    shaughnessy Formula 3
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    That is not entirely correct. If the car is here illegally, technically has to be exported then reimported to be exempt from the DOT requirement.

    A technicality an insurance company could capitalize on.

    A 365BB with no DOT paper work is not legal on the US, a newly imported car will have the exemption status.
     
  20. P4Replica

    P4Replica Formula 3

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  21. Sean F.

    Sean F. F1 Rookie

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    But what about the dash. It's in two pieces. That can't be right.

    EDIT: Never mind, I saw it on the owners site. It's two pieces with a cover over the top.

    So a new dash as well for a "converted" left hand drive.

    I've though a project car would be fun to have, but not this one.
     
  22. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Correct but an imported car must still meet EPA standards for it's year of MFG. so far as I read the regulations.
    Other's?
    As I read it the only year that is totally EPA/DOT exempt is 1967 and earlier.
     
  23. Sean F.

    Sean F. F1 Rookie

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    It depends on the state. My '77 is exempt from EPA emmisions laws b/c it's older than 25-years in Texas, and also in Kansas and many other states. CA, no.

    How would you resolve the SN issue though?
     
  24. ArtS

    ArtS F1 World Champ
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    Jim G.

    Some of what I'm hearing may allow for a loophole to enable you to get a 917!!

    Regards,

    Art S.
     
  25. Birdman

    Birdman F1 Veteran

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    OK, whatever you say! But clearly the doors were once yellow. They didn't paint them yellow inside just for the fun of it! Look inside the doors of ANY Ferrari that has been repainted.


     

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