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Discussion in 'Aviation Chat' started by Spasso, May 17, 2007.

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  1. rfking

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    Will a GPU provide enough power to run the thing on the ground without an APU?
     
  2. Spasso

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    That, I do not know. I'm not well versed in this A/P. SWITCHES can find out from his buddies on the program though.
     
  3. Bob Parks

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    I'll look that up tomorrow.
     
  4. imported_aventino

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    Isn't it crazy still not having sidesticks and tray tables? You have to put down a pillow on your lap for the meal tray, you can't both eat at once and theres no where as handy to put your charts. I thought the need to have both of you wrestling with the controls went out with the 377. Boeing are so dated in some ways, it makes no sense.
     
  5. Bob Parks

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    Aventino, how many Boeings are you talking about? There is just one and Boeing isn't dated at all when it came to designing a standard control column with a wheel. It was demanded by the customer's pilots so that they can monitor what the co-pilot is doing or vise-versa. I recall that when I was working on the first 777 17 years ago, Airbus knocked Boeing for not going with total fly by wire like they were on their airplanes. The an Airbus had a mysterious total electrical failiure and the airplane's fly by wire was totally dead. for a long time. We received a memo that there would be cable back up in the 777 control system. I don't understand the eating on the pillow thing and chart stowage.
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  6. imported_aventino

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    There are probably a lot of areas that Boeing has held off on but not having sidestick controllers has to be one of the craziest. I agree that there is a problem on the airbus in seeing what the F/O is doing in rotation and in the flare so it's easy, have the sidestick controllers interconnected. The F-16 came out with them nearly 40 years ago and Doug Lougheed's company has always been the innovator. Maybe Boeing could get Lockheed to design them a sidestick system where both move together. There is no need to have both hands on the controls of a modern pax aircraft anymore. You sit in the thing for 8 hours and you need to eat, in the triple 7 one pilot slides his seat back and puts a pillow in his lap and puts the tray table on the pillow on his lap and because you've slid your seat back you aren't PIC any more. So you can only have one pilot eating at a time. This is straight out of the 1950's.

    On the airbus you both pull out the tray tables and start eating and nothing changes. No pillows, no handing control over, easy.

    It's one thing to look at the plane and marvel the photo's but someone has to fly it for the next 20 years of their career.

    Much and all as I have a lot of time for Boeing (the 247 was a landmark) this whole idea that they design for what the pilot says he wants doesn't always work. Just look at the commonality mess they have ended up with between types.
     
  7. Bob Parks

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    You're way ahead of me on flying the line 'cause I ain't never did it. Thanks for the info on the difference in flying and getting your meals on the airplanes in question. Boeing has never been prone to jumping on a band wagon without thorugh testing and having any new whizbang system or process bug free before installing it on a Boeing airplane. Many " what if meetings" are held before anything is committed. Safe, reliable, durable, and cost effective performance are always the goals first.
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