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Discussion in 'FF/GTC4Lusso/F12/812S' started by dcmetro, Nov 18, 2018.

  1. Alcav5

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    Apologies if this was discussed already but why were you not allowed to see the v12 line, is it something permanently new that they're not doing any longer or was it timing thing ? Iirc when I went 4 yrs ago we were toured past both V8 & V12 lines.
     
  2. Foxmod

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    No real answer, I suspect timing, I also visited both lines when I did the atelier in 2015
     
  3. maha

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    any news about the new v8 supercar.. Aka BB?
     
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  5. deltona

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    I visited the factory two weeks ago for Atelier and had a chat with one of the staff.

    This person had seen sketches and said the car is very nice with some other exterior modifications other that the obvious roof.

    I have to say that i think it helps if you speak Italian as my accompanying dealer was surprised I got some info! :)

    The V12 line was open to visitors that day.
     
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  6. dcmetro

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    Ahahahah I imagine the dealer surprised rolling big eyes while the client starts a conversation in perfect italian, it reminds me a scene of "Inglorious basterds"
     
  7. BaronM69

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    I heard it is more likely to be in the 800k range than 500k.
     
  8. lamborarri

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    If it starts out like 500k fully spec’ed would make sense. In 800k the car needs to offer more than TDF to F12.
     
  9. BaronM69

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    I heard 800k to 1M.
    Ferrari is real good at telling inaccurate info too many. So who knows.

    If the BB is indeed 800k-1M, this is good news for Pista owners.

    If the BB is 500k, then the 450-500k Pista are going to have a harder time finding buyers at a premium or maintain value when a higher range new car asking for same price comes out.

    A 500k car could actually damage the 488/F8 range car as there are not so many people who can fork 500k on standard vehicle (on top of 812, Aventador, ...),
    but the ones spending 300-350k still get "the prestige" of owner top of the range V8 Ferrari.
    If F8 becomes a "Portofino" , then they still won't sell this many 500k BB, but might loose some 300-350k vehicle sale.

    This is what makes me think that a well above 500k, say 650-850k priced car fits better.
     
  10. lamborarri

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    V12 and V8 are different. In the V12 world, it's 400k or 2m at the moment, so if they fit another 812 convertible in 500k, that's not a problem at all.

    The BB is against another type of market, like between the gap of the super sports car and hypercar, so anywhere in 600-800k makes a lot of sense because in this price range, they can still move units.

    For under 1m, if the BB doors go up, close to 1k hp, mid engine, it will be a home run. It will destroy the upper market that other manufacturers getting into. At the same time, keep the current V8's and V12's market happy (like Pista, F8, etc.). It wouldn't cause any damage to the V12's like 812 and Lusso.

    Portofino is really at 200k-300k which is below F8's, they can come out with a performance version and pushing it to 300k or come out with a little brother version in low 200k is completely fine.
     
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  11. BaronM69

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    You make my point and I agree with you, but there is moving 4k units a year, and moving 500u per year.
    At 800k it totally belongs in the V8 line up, but I don't think its a Xk units per year car.
     
  12. lamborarri

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    Yup! From business stand point, if the bb is not hitting 1k per year, they would start making them limited edition. Probably if the market doesn't take at least 2-3k units per year in demand, might as well make it a limited edition. Most cars don't sell very well after the first 18 months anyways. There's no point to be in regular production series if they don't sell.
     
  13. NeilF8888

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    Marketing an $800k+ non limited production car will be a challenge. Collectors will be fine paying more for collectible models but a multi year unlimited production $800k vehicle will be a depreciation nightmare. Ferrari constrains their V12 production to try to keep depreciation on their $400k cars from dropping precipitously, and they do anyway after the “got to be the first” buyers put their cars on the resale market. Even 812’s are starting to soften and are out only about year. It’s a supply and desire market, and Enzo himself was reputed to have said, “always build one less car than you can sell”.

    IMHO Ferrari will price the BB at $60o+ with many options included. If Ferrari prices a non limited 8 cylinder too steeply sales will stall and large depreciation will occur because of the relative ease of acquiring a new BB or another manufacturers equivalent at a lower cost. Ferrari knows this and won’t kill the golden goose by overpricing the BB.
     
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  14. F140C

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    That was the figure mentioned in the BB thread, but the source also said "probably without options". Seems a likely and reasonable pricetag considering the level of performance.

    Grazie for the infos!
     
  15. BaronM69

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    Did they say if it was not limited, or super limited?
     
  16. deltona

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    They didn’t say specifically but I’m fairly sure it won’t be limited or serie speciale.
     
  17. BaronM69

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    That's great to hear.
     
  18. j09333

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    My guess is Ferrari will choose who gets the car and it will be limited by production run time.

    If the price is increased quite, then the game of Ferrari decides who gets the car will play major role of car being sold out for certain.

    Also, they know they will have almost 2 years to run at max so they can not afford huge wait list.


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  19. Wheels1

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  20. klinkman

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    Camera or cell phone in Ferrari factory?
    That's a high bar, more likely photoshop . . .
     
  21. Ferrari 308 Vetro

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    Any news on the 813 Spider?
     
  22. JTSE30

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    Expected to be announced in September 2019...
     
  23. Il Co-Pilota

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    Anyone care to take a guess at the name? Will it really be as "simple" as 812 Superfast Spider or will we perhaps see the Barchetta name make another appearance? I kind of hope for the latter. I think the Barchetta name fits a front engined GT a lot better than Spider. To me a Spider is a targa styly mid engined sports car.
     
  24. deltona

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    .....Aperta?
     
  25. 9nb

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    Isn’t the Aperta name just for the limited production convertibles? And the 812 convertible is suppose to be a normal production car?

    Would love to see if they update the interior to the SF90 tech or keep it as is.


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