812 Hybrid

Nice design... found this online.... Thoughts

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812 is a GT car (long wheel base, front engine).
That appears to be a sports car (short wheel base, mid er powerplant)

 

I am intrigued by the possibility of an electric turbo or supercharger.
In this way heavy large batteries would be avoided. Instead a beefier alternator and larger capacity conventional battery would be the trade off. On the plus side, if there were a smaller exhaust turbine or perhaps no exhaust turbine at all, then the exhaust note would remain that of a lovely flat crank NA V12, albeit of a smaller capacity.

With an electrical turbo, Ferrari would still be able to customize the boost so as to produce the HP and torque curve which provides the best driving experience and performance.

 

Do they believe the 812 successor will be mid-engined?

 

Fascinating. My guess is if they do a hybrid V12, it will be more along the lines of the LF HY-KERS system.

 

I would love a return to V12 mid rear cars.
Ferrari has reserved that configuration to their Halo cars.

 

I think 2020 might be a little bit early.
There are hardly any customer 812's that have been delivered yet in the UK, so that would only make a 3 year run not the 5 year norm.

 

Looks like the offspring of F12 and Lambo...

 

The image is obviously an informal creation for the purpose of illustrating the topic "Hybrid 812" in its original publication. Not a serious attempt at anything as it's clearly a collage, pure copy&paste of several current and recent Ferraris. It's an amusing exercise, trying to identify all the cars present, though

 

The interesting question remains if in a hybrid context we will see a downsized V12 or still the 6.5 litre unit?

 

Ferrari will decide what block/heads to use on a hybrid based on how the electric motor pairs with it and the changes made to software and diff. However, since the new 6.5 is reportable 70% new then they would likely use it as the starting point IMO. If it ultimately doesn't get used on it then either they couldn't get the package to work the best or they are willing to run out the 6.5 redesign costs through any remaining 812 series models such as Aperta or VS. I think there would be as much re-use as possible in the ICE since its the KERS that would be the new focus.

 

I agree with you. Ferrari has already developed two V12 ICE that attain 800 cv each, one equips the La Ferrari and has 6268 cc, the other is used on the 812 and has 6496 cc. For Ferrari the power figure of 963cv on a road car isn't a mirage but already a reality on the hybrid La Ferrari (800 cv the ICE V12 + 163 cv the electric motors). My guess is that a future hybrid substitute of the 812 will have at least 963 cv and will use the existing 800 cv ICE V12 with a light face lift. In the case Ferrari wants to have a future "812" hybrid not wit 963 cv but with more reaching for instance the milestone of 1000 cv, I think that's very easily achievable just by combining the 800 cv V12 ICE face lifted with electric motors capable of attending 200cv which means a modest 37 cv increase in what they already have on the La Ferrari.