812 production delays?

Congratulations again on your beautiful 812.

Forgive me but I wanted to double check that your dealer doesn’t have allocations until June rather than having production that won’t be delivered until June. Is that correct ?


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Not describing OTA updates. My F12 was updated at the annual with the wired connection. Was a mandated fix. I was posing the possibility that build delays could be due to software which is also what was posted earlier that a software fix was related to a referenced EPS issue.

 

My dealer has two 812's on the water and no allocations for production from now until June. I guess any of his future allocations after June will be 2019's. Could the delay be producing v12's because the last of the Lusso V12's are keeping the V12 engine assembly busy. I was told months ago the last V12 Lusso's would be allocated in March and North American production would end in June and there would be no 2019 V12 Lusso's in the USA. Don't know if this is still accurate?

 

I presume that this is due to introduction of the Turbo V8 Lusso T.

If this car is goIng to be made on the V8 production line, then the V12 line will be dedicated solely to 812 cars.

No worries. The demand for the 812 is strong and deep.

Or will V8s and V12s share the same production line?

 

It's not the production line, the upstairs production line has both front engine v8's and V12's, it's the engine assembly that's the limiting factor with the V12's, I believe they only make 6 a day.

 

Yes no wonder I keep hearing cars delivered outside of ones on the water will be MY 19.


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Yeah very interested to see which MY your car will be considering all thats gone on. You would think first half of year would be 18 but who knows with Ferrari.

 

Then it occurs to me, maybe the production delay isn't a technical problem, but something else....

At the beginning of the year, China actually banned 553 car models from being produced and sold, search google for

China ban 553

relevant result:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-28/china-to-stop-production-of-553-vehicle-models-over-fuel-use

and maybe that caused a problem since Ferrari has a good market there, so, maybe they have prioritized production of the 812 to be for China so they can get as many as possible manufactured for delivery in 2018 before any new ban occurs...The allocation resumption in June (noted above) would seem to be somewhat corresponding to that based on production time and shipping times to get as many 812S' as possible into China before end of 2018

Just a thought...

 

Full list here:
http://www.ecovis-beijing.com/en/blog-en/articles/production-ban-2018

It doesn't contain any Ferraris.

 

Thank you for finding the list.

That's the point, this ban was all-of-a-sudden (idea mentioned in China in Sept 2017:

http://www.catarc.ac.cn/ac_en/content/20170919/23953.html

(search webpage above for word 'banning')

and than boom, ban issued Dec 26/27 2017) and there will be more cars added and eventually all ICE will be banned in China, so it benefits Ferrari to get as many 812S delivered (in China) before they are banned. I think this correlates well with the sudden "production delays" for the 812S with dealers noting that "June" is when allocations/production will resume. Again, this is just my theory.

 

Agree that things can change overnight there. You wonder how many Lusso T's for example, which they specifically targeted at some high-tax countries like China, actually end up there vs V12s

 

http://corporate.ferrari.com/en/annual-report-2017

report:
http://corporate.ferrari.com/sites/ferrari15ipo/files/annual_report_ferrari_nv_12.31.2017__0.pdf

relevant text (for my theory)
In response to severe air quality issues in Beijing and other major Chinese cities, in 2016 the Chinese government
published a more stringent emissions program (National 6), providing two different levels of stringency effective starting from
2020. Moreover autonomous Chinese regions and municipalities are allowed to implement these more stringent requirements
in advance of 2020. If local Chinese regions and municipalities implement such requirements before 2020 this could lead us to
revise our product development and production plans in China, incur significant costs and change marketing strategies in China,
which may affect our profits.

See page 37 of pdf link above, seems holding rather 'steady' in China/HK/TW at 617 total cars for 2017

See page 71:
The €27 million increase in China, Hong Kong and Taiwan (on a combined basis) net revenues was primarily attributable
to a positive mix, driven by the GTC4Lusso family and other V12 models, particularly in China, partially offset by a slowdown
in Hong Kong due to our decision to terminate the distributor in 2016 and the new dealership only becoming fully operational
in the third quarter of 2017.

 

I was told the same.

 

Who knows? Maybe they are fixing the diffuser gap problem?

 

You could be right. See https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/the-official-ferrari-812-superfast-pictures-thread.545448/page-205

 

Not me.

 

No it’s been very limited deliveries and allocations.


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We attended the Maranello preview in Jan. 2017 and returned for the TM visit in September. Our build was supposed to start in February, but it’s been delayed until June.

A U.S. friend just received his 812 this month. He also attended the preview and spec’d his car then. I have one other buddy, who races Ferrari Challenge, who received his 812 earlier this year.


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Supposedly, ours is at stage 30. Ordered in October so I’m a little surprised.


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Image Unavailable, Please Login I spec’ed out my 812 last June and the car just got shipped from the factory.