We must take the steps in order, and the next, which is one of the most important, is the probable ratification of the Euro 7 standard this summer. Let's see when it comes into effect... There is no further development of the V12 registered for the future after 167 and its variants
That makes sense, the 812c engine (revealed in April 2021) will be about 3 years old by the time of the F167 reveal (I have heard it slipped to sometime next year), because they terminated the V12 engine team leadership without a suitable replacement team, using an "old engine" would confirm that Ferrari no longer cares about the V12...other than adjustments for emissions regulations that would be sad (the FUV engine is a majorly de-tuned V12, so, I do not consider that as an improvement over prior engines).
Can you share a sense of the number of variants you’re expecting? F167, F167 GTS or will there be more? VS versions?
If the restriction is 20,000 cars is there a reason they can't separate the company into a bespoke & production? Seems to me 20,000 cars for the bespoke side that would do v12's, specials etc may already be partially separate with the tailor made group. I believe Ford has plans to separate it's ev and ice vehicles into 2 separate companies although i do not know their motivations.
Every new generation of front V12 has brought a panel of other variants: coupé, spider/GTS, VS, and more recently VS spider/GTS. Then for sure we can expect to see at least these 4 variants coming for the F167. Nothing is better than 4 variants to milk the cow
It's not even about total production. The EU regulations take into consideration the number of vehicles registered within the bloc.
The massive new Ferrari factory being build next to the existing one is solely for battery production. That tells us a lot about the future, sadly!
Is there such a thing as the possibility of a commercial failure in Ferrari's world nowadays? Even if some wrong calls were made, IMHO the brand's reputation and heritage would delay the tangible effects long enough to avoid any kind of impact on the decision maker's career.
Face it folks, we’re now the dinosaurs, the “old farts” that care about such things. To be honest my thinking on all of this (exotic screaming super high horsepower V12s) has been pivoting. Where I live, and I presume the same is true of a great many people who can earn enough of a living to purchase cars like these, has become so congested the joy of driving is becoming an ever more difficult proposition. At my main home on the coast it takes me at least 45-60 min of “driving” through massive congestion and dozens upon dozens of traffic lights to get to an open road. It is so palpable that when I finally get to some open road I actually physically breath a sigh of relief and feel my muscles relax. I bought a second home in the mountains, and of course the same general rule applies: people with financial means want restaurants, wineries, fun destinations nearby and so the roads are again congested. The thing in the mountains is not necessarily traffic lights and multiple lanes but >90% of the time there is at least 3-5 cars ahead of you on the road and one of them is a Subaru doggedly going well below the speed limit. I’m talking about being on a curvy road in the country going 30-35 mph and then they brake down to 20 going into a turn. It is difficult, and often unsafe, to pass because of visibility. If I do get past it is either an ancient mouth-breathing person or what I presume to be a stoned younger person with phone in hand. I literally have often chosen to take my Rolls Royce Ghost places because it reduces my stress. If I can’t drive in a fun manner then at least I can waft down the road in supreme comfort listening to Vivaldi! For me, the days of pushing an 800 hp screaming V12 are coming to a close.
Sad but true. I am resigned to the fact the roads(condition and traffic) make driving in a spirited manner challenging to say the least. I am all for public transportation as it de clogs the roads and gets many appliance cars drivers to reconsider driving. My response is to drive in the middle of the night when possible and drive a “slow” fun car for commutes. Whether it’s a RR, Jeep or some small high rev pocket rocket or one of my motorcycles it makes life more fun. It means the Ferrari sits longer in the garage but when it out it’s still a blast. Hopefully one day a drone human hauler will be developed which can whisk me up and away from the bad roads and traffic and get me to work in 20 min but alas I will be long dead buried and probably fossilized by the time that happens. Realistically though the greenies are screaming from the rooftops the end is near and we have already passed the point of no return so flying to a flooded post apocalyptic city is a non sequeter. Time to get out, drive and make our voices heard with our right foot on the V12 accelerator and at the ballot box. I feel better Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
I actually am hoping with global warming the Greenland Ice sheet disappears and we pave great roads for driving ICE cars and rename it ICEland. EVs and public transportation need not apply. Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
Absolutely! I ship a car from Toronto to California every summer and spend 10-14 days enjoying the open roads and beautiful scenery. Last year was in the 812gts. Keeps me smiling all year. The rest of the time she sleeps. No point with the congestion and speed traps at home not to mention the horribly straight roads.
I have great driving roads right outside my front door. My Ferrari never sees traffic unless I want it to. I am blessed in this way but other reasons take the place of getting seat time. There will never be a reason for me to not want that big V12 or any of the other machines I own including diesel and 2-stroke. These are a part of me and the rest of the planet can worry about whatever they want to. It has no effect on me. George Bush hated broccoli.
My friends and I flew to Germany in September and rented 6 Porsche 911 cabs from the museum. We drove through Austria, Bavaria, Switzerland, Lake Como region, Lichtenstein and back to Stuttgart. I think we averaged about 40km/hr given the draconian speed limit enforcement concerns. Around Lake Como I think we averaged 20 km/hr.
Agreed, and apologies for sounding like an advertisement, but it's one of the things I love about the Lusso. When stuck in slow moving traffic, it's a great GT, when the times permit, it can also pretend to be an F12, except more stable.
