Roma mule testing near the Arctic Circle. Wonder when we’ll see a covered production prototype. https://www.autoevolution.com/news/ferrari-812-s-successor-spied-in-mule-form-v12-ain-t-going-nowhere-212641.html
It looks like a Lykan which is not a compliment. Have to give Lambo kudos for remaining with the V12 and upgrading it. I hope, but seriously doubt Ferrari will continue to update the 6.5l V12…..
True, however the nearest competitor will have a serious impact on Ferrari’s strategy as well. The HP wars still exist and Ferrari simply can not launch an 900hp na V12 200lbs lighter 812 successor. A lot of buyers / general public will not accept that. Us true brand/drive lovers are the vocal minority.
I don't think people would mind if they could make it as quick as a Revuelto, using the formula you are suggesting. At the end of the day it's not about a power or a weight figure. It is about the overall performance (and the feel of course, but that's another discussion altogether).
Winter testing in the arctic? Does this not suggest some sort of electrification testing? I live in Canada but I don’t take my 812gts out in the snow and I don’t think others do as well.
I realize it is a test mule. And for the first time I really looked at the Roma roof line (car never interested me)- I see GTC/4 in the roof-rear profile. I have a soft spot for the the GTC/4 and still prefer it over the GTB as it was the first Ferrari I ever saw and touched as a kid back in ‘71 or so when my mom bought a Fiat 124 station wagon. And it looked really cool- like a space ship (which as my contemporary grey hairs remember all the space movies & TV shows at the time). ps The GTC/4 was a rubino color. Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
Yes and there’s already enough posts of it to make a point. the weight is driven up by EU laws and BS green agenda. Ferrari and others a have the technology to make a perfectly light mid engine V12 manual car and legally can’t make it.
Frankly it looks like a halfbreed cross between aventador and a yellow C8 Corvette! Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
Braking is limited by mass. If you put the Aventador and the hybrid Aventador on the same tires I'm willing to bet that the Aventador would stop first. If the only thing going for it is the V12, you might as well just save some money and buy an Aventador. Also the Ferrari F140 V12 has been used since the Enzo up until the 812 and SP3. I believe it is around 250kg to 225kg depending on its configuration. As a comparison, the Valkyrie 6.5L V12 is around 204kg and it is a fully structural element. So if Ferrari were to do a new ground up engine they would be saving around 30-60kg. May be better to spend weight shaving money elsewhere. They could also add prechamber combustion for more power.
It's much more complicated than that. Brakes, control electronics and suspension characteristics evolve. That's why the Revuelto will brake better, as does the SF90, which brakes 5 metres shorter than the lighter F8 from 200 kph, despite being nearly 200 kilos heavier (https://zeperfs.com/en/duel7937-7882.htm)!
What makes you say this? If they can make the SP3 why could they not make a manual SP3? Porsche makes hundred (if not thousands) of manual cars a year. GMA is V12, manual, light weight just as you mentioned. Not saying that they should or should not. Many on here have strong opinions either way. I am no expert on EU regulations so if I am off base then please enlighten me. Given all the other manufacturers who are able to produce these cars, unless there is some special rule that only applies to Ferrari, it seems that Ferrari has chosen not to produce such a car and this has nothing to do with the legality of making such a car. Instead, for whatever reason, they decided to waste a major portion of the final V12 units that will ever be produced on an SUV….
OT: I can't believe a bunch of people gave OK to that name. Don't just translate from scrambled eggs, it's mostly negative in Spanish and totally unfitting for a supercar.
I have done several searches and reviews and I think they "made up" this back story of some fictitious bull named "Revuelto", you can find the Miura bull line, the Murcielago, and Aventador but, zippo on the name "Revuelto", I think they made it up. It would be useful if they were to produce the verifiable historical documents regarding this. However, Revueltosaurus has a lot of history, as an ancient lizard dinosaur...from, get this, Bull Canyon: https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Postcranial-elements-of-Revueltosaurus-callenderi-from-the-Bull-Canyon-Formation-of_fig2_281408734 I think that's where they "associated" the name, and crossed it up with a "Bull" reference...if they were honest about it, I do not think there was a bull by that name, much less a famous one, there is no history for that. So, that would mean the Germans are having fun, calling their new car, a dinosaur, both in what it consumes (the so-called dead dinosaur juice, oil, which, actually is not from dinos at all, as it is abiotic) and what is represents (i.e. V12 going extinct) I think that is the true reason they chose the name Revuelto...
Well done calling out the Lambo powers that be. Maybe it should be called Bulldinkasaurus! Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
Revuelto is honestly no better than Purosangue. Both roll off the tongue like molasses on a cold winter morning.
Well, on an 812, the 12v battery is on that side the car, so, maybe there is some diagnostic going on, but, then again, Ferrari likes to create illusions to distract us and hypothesize on...could be that too, remember, this is not the real car shape at all...just a test mule
Ferrari could make a 700hp NA v12 as a successor and would sell as many as they can make. The general public and journos don’t buy Ferraris so their opinion is moot. Years ago, when hp gains went from 400 to 500 I would agree with you, but nobody buying these cars cares one whit if their NA v12 Ferrari was 100 or 200hp less … 800hp is more than enough … it just has to look good and perform as a Ferrari should. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
Great investigative effort... Anyway, since I don't really care if the name is from an actual bull or made up, if they did make up the name then it's even worse that they chose such a terrible one. @ipsedixit Purosangue at least evoques racing horses once you translate to your language. Revuelto evoques all the wrong stuff.
