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  1. day355

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    Too early to answer !
     
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  3. mepassione

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    When you say fewer than 1000 cars registered in the EU per year does that mean that they won’t be able to produce more than 1000 v12 per year in total or does that just apply to Europe in which case they can continue to produce 2000+ V12 per year? And as a result all other cars will be electric only no hybrid?
    And also does that constraint apply from 2025 onwards? Is that the cutoff?
     
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  4. F2003-GA

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    Can you reveal your source of info so we can get more detail please ?
     
  5. Il Co-Pilota

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    I can only tell you that it was someone at the factory. I cannot tell you who or where.

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  6. mepassione

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    Surely when they start selling the Purosangue the number of cars per year will exceed 10,000 right? And the 296 now probably replaces the V8 range and likely to sell in higher numbers as well.
     
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  8. Wheels1

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    I don’t think they will be selling huge amounts of the Purosangue judging by the price and the purchase criteria.
     
  9. 350MH83

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    It seems crazy to me that they would restrict who would buy a Purosangue. Maybe the V12 one will be more difficult to get as to stay below the EU limits, but for the V6 hybrid, I would imagine anybody who walks in with enough cash will be able to get one, as it is already the case for the 296 or the SF90.
     
  10. mepassione

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    I would have thought this would be a rather high volume car for Ferrari and that they would sell as much as they can based on demand rather than being a limited / select vehicle?
     
  11. JTSE30

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    https://ec.europa.eu/clima/eu-action/transport-emissions/road-transport-reducing-co2-emissions-vehicles/co2-emission-performance-standards-cars-and-vans_en

    See this section from the link above:
    Exemptions
    Manufacturers responsible for fewer than 1 000 cars or fewer than 1 000 vans newly registered in the EU per year are exempted from meeting a specific emissions target, unless they voluntarily apply for a derogation target.

    Number of vehicles registered/sold outside of EU does not matter to EU, only within EU...and though current derogation language does not speak of 100% electric vs combustion, it is presume any such SVM would clearly differentiate that to make it clear to the EU rule makers...so, yes, if Ferrari sold fewer than 1000 combustion vehicles in EU they would be exempt from emissions compliance (and if Ferrari wanted to sell 1000 or more vehicles into the EU each year the remaining models must be only electric.

    As for derogation end-dates, none are indicated, so presumably they will be continued, however, the specific language of Euro 7 (emissions regulation) does not yet exist...
     
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  13. day355

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    The schedule is 5000 over the full production cycle.
    It won't be limited and those who want one will get it.
     
  14. SeattleStew

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    I’m going to be curious about the SUV. Already told my dealer we are potential buyers, depends on engine and design. But a V12 SUV is going to be hard to pass up
     
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  15. day355

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    I would have preferred that they make a modern interpretation of the 400/412, rather than an FUV ...
     
  16. SeattleStew

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    Moms of the wealthy world gotta have something to drive other than a VW suv product.
     
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  17. khal360

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    FUV will account for 60% of sales, just like Lambo IMHO.
     
  18. wrs

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    Well around here, Range Rovers are quite popular.
     
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  19. 9nb

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    Range Rovers and G Wagons are so popular where I am, that I asked a dealer when I can get the next Range Rover, he said the next shipment is all sold out and the earliest is December 2022 if I put money down now, same for G Wagon .. I doubt it’s the same for Bentaygas and Cullinans but it might be. Ferrari would be insane not to want to capitalize on that and have a money making machine that will provide financial stability, we saw that during Coivd, sales skyrocketed, there is a lot of wealth out there and every manufacturer wants a piece of the pie.


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  20. wrs

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    I am on my fourth RR. The first two were sports and the third was a v-8 full size. This one I bought last fall in October for $168k with a sticker of $183k. It had 3k miles and had been bought in June so it was only 4 months old but I still got a good sized discount. If I sold it now, I could get more than I paid for it. I really like it, I have the AB SVO with not much in options because it already has so many built into the price.
     
  21. REALZEUS

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    IMHO it is a mistake to compare Land/Range Rovers to the new FUV. The Landies are excellent off roaders, the FUV will be a road car, costing 2-3 times as much.

    I love Landies btw, best 4x4xfar. ;) People who don't take their Landies off road don't know what they are missing.
     
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