812 Replacement Rumors

The rear bumper is much more prominent, and with sharper edges.
Maybe this bumper piece is the definitive one.

 

Look, people are arguing to buy Murray's cars...

 

Have you seen the final car? If so, would love to hear your thoughts.

 

I haven't seen the car yet. That instagram post suggests there may be some definitive element in the mule changes. And what is different, as is visible in the comparative photos, is the rear bumper, more pronounced and with sharp edges.

 

@9nb
I doubt the mule body panels have any relationship to the final product. There is, after all, a fully padded "final car" being seen. And, word is, the final design was decided long ago, so any mule changes are probably related to Ferrari simply trying to distract as they always do....the mule has a single purpose, testing of frame/suspension and engine, everything else, mix and match.

 

I totally agree. But I like the commitment of people like ab08 who want to bring some light into the darkness. Ultimately, this is still the F167 thread and not for Gordon Murray or the Lamborghini V12... although it's also quite entertaining to discuss. Ok, at this time first real pictures might help us...

 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/toyota-ev-mimics-manual-transmission-with-faux-gear-shifts-and-roaring-engine-3afc760f?mod=hp_lead_pos11

 

I don't think we need to pay wallstreet journal subscription (link above) to read what has been on evo site for free in December 2022.
https://www.evo.co.uk/lexus/205509/toyota-in-development-of-a-manual-transmission-for-electric-cars

Anyway, it's not relevant to F167 topic, because it is not an EV, nor even a hybrid.
Last production V12 Ferrari you can freely enjoy.

 

Not an „amateur“.
He learned in fathers metalworking shop an got addicted to mechanics.
Designed and built engines soon after then.

 

The new rear bumper silhouette on this mule looks nice. I just hope that the final car will look as good or better than the omologata

 

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Now we are talking!! Cant wait for more pictures to show up so we can start guessing how it looks

 

Very excited for this one. I'm calling it all day. Strange they will keep the V12 for this side of the brand, but kill it for the LaFerrari replacement. The gap between the F12 Berlinetta vs 812 Competizione is amazing to me when it comes to sound.

 

Amazing how?

 

The tone is so much deeper than the F12 Berlinetta. Sounds like a perfected LaFerrari

 

The Halo model Started life under Enzo with a TTV8 and even a wing and the F40 change the world. It was the first real supercar. So putting an engine developed from the 499P / 296GT3 program's be it an upgraded or a New TTV6, is the only way to go. specially now having won the 24hr of Nurburgring and 24hr of Le Mans great forward planning and self backing on Ferrari's part and some luck. The TTV6 is now the ultimate modern Ferrari Engine and returned greatness long since lost. Had the Halo always been V12 I would have agreed with you. We are lucky though we still have the Classic V12 GTs too

 

I like the innovation don't get me wrong. My thing is I wish they had something more EXOTIC. Something less "Ferrari" Which would have been, a V10. Something they never put in their cars. I like the V12 of course, but something that would catch everyone off guard would have been that. I even said that about the SF90. A TT-V10 in that car would have been lights out. A mic drop moment in a Laferrari successor with a hybrid V10. Just thinking about it!

 

V12 will always the the halo model to me. Like a Patek

Hope there is no hybrid component in the F167.

 

V10 was only ever F1 and Ferrari Never wanted to go there but to win they had to. To go V10 they would have to start all over mega time and $$$ and would never get a return on the investment. Had you told people 5 or even 2 years ago the next Halo would be a TTV6 no one would have believe you. some still don't lol this move has and will catch a lot off guard. The biggest move to blow people away and most not in a good way would have been a full EV halo. Sadly its is coming and not in the far off future.

 

The V10 is a compromise. It might have been Ferrari's most competitive time in F1, but it was down to regulations really. The V12 is the ideal engine (perfectly balanced).

 

All they'd have to do is do what they did with the F50, Make a larger model of their 3.5L V10. Wouldn't have to come up with something from the ground up. Besides, I am very sure it's a lot cheaper and easier to come up with a new engine from scratch than it is an entire car.

 

The ICE is the most expensive part of a car.

 

There's one at the dealer today. It sounds like an exquisite V12 inside a closed barrel with a couple holes in it and the sound trying to get out.

 

In a good way or a bad way ?

 

Definitely not what ours sounds like at 9.5k. Sounds more aggressive than our pre GPF Superfast. Still has that spine-tingling crescendo just more raucous. And the car is epic, really spectacular. Just took it over 1k miles this evening. It might have been nice to keep it in the garage because of values but I’m afraid I can’t help it. It’s brilliant!