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  1. Maximus1973

    Maximus1973 Formula Junior

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    They should have capacity on that V6 Line as well as they build the Maseratis' engines there as well.
     
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  3. Maximus1973

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    and you can actually fit inside a ferrari V12 car AND have a clue what's going on around you.
    Aventador's are design to look 'nice' and spit flames. Not a driver's car.
    (yes I'm biased!)
     
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  4. Maximus1973

    Maximus1973 Formula Junior

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    Don't we have the new "La ferrari' to be receleaed this year as well with an NA V12?
     
  5. pk328

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    We really are approaching the End of Days when it come to Ferrari. I need to pick up a 550 Maranello before their values become stratospheric!
     
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  6. Maximus1973

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    Very happy I'm getting the 812Competizione. By judging this thread you'll probably have to rip it from my cold dead hands if you want it ;-)
     
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  8. Maximus1973

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    Yet BMW revealed this week that they will continue to invest in ICE for years to come; which is a rather odd statement reading the above. Especially since Audi confimred it will not invest anymore in new ICE tech. AND one that could and should give us some hope..... that EV's aren't going to the end all in the next 10 years or so.
    One can only hope....
     
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  9. BLUESL

    BLUESL Karting

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    That's the SP3 recently announced isn't it?
     
  10. Maximus1973

    Maximus1973 Formula Junior

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    No, there are still talks/rumours about a LaF replacement.
     
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  11. BLUESL

    BLUESL Karting

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    Yes, I am sure you're right. Now though, the F8 and the 812 have gone in the sense they can't be ordered any more and the cupboard is looking a bit bare. I think the SF90 has had its problems - rumours of endless updates - plus zero out of ten in terms of practicality. It will be interesting to see how the 296 fares. Ferrari certainly have their work cut out...
     
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  13. Gh21631

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    The Huracan replacement will compete and is expected to make about 900hp.

    The Aventador replacement will be in the 1200 HP range.

    Both will be hybrids.
     
  14. therryzsx

    therryzsx Formula Junior

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    what is source of this numbers? or this is just online rumor?
     
  15. ScrappyB

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    Agree that Ferrari are certainly known to make the best V12’s in the world and also that the Aventador is incomparable to the 812 aside from the engine configuration. My question is whether Ferrari could approve the discontinuation of their NA V12 in a series car while knowing that Lambo does not plan to do so? It would be interesting to see how they explain (spin) such a decision to their customers and employees once they hear about the disappearance of their crown jewel.

    My bet is that a new smaller displacement NA V12 with mild hybrid will eventually emerge from Maranello. I base this prediction on the above as well as the fact that other companies like BMW have developed technologies that keep ICE engines compliant. Obviously, all BMW engines are turbocharged so perhaps it will be a different story for an NA unit (a V12 no less), but I have faith in Ferrari engineers. Keep the faith

    https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/tech-zukunft/alternative-antriebe/interview-bmw-entwicklungsvorstand-weber/

    “What's happening with the combustion engines?

    One thing is certain for us: We will need the state-of-the-art internal combustion engine for a few more years to effectively reduce CO2 emissions in the passenger car sector globally. That's why we're working on a new generation of engines: gasoline, diesel, six-cylinder, eight-cylinder. These will then also be technologically equipped for the coming emissions standards. In the six-cylinder engine alone, we are reducing CO2 emissions more massively than ever before in a new generation. We are helped in this by the fact that legislation in this area is beginning to converge worldwide. To reconcile emissions requirements on the one hand and performance demands on the other, we looked at the entire charge change and found a promising approach there. This technology then runs through all engine families and is supplemented by a high-performance e-drive disc.

    So, new from the ground up - or rather a major overhaul?

    Nothing is really the same as it was before. There's something completely new in the cylinder head. And with it, we're going to up the ante in terms of efficiency. Because regardless of whether it's a combustion engine or an electric vehicle, reducing CO2 emissions across the board is crucial in the fight against climate change. Equally decisive is what the customer wants. And we have to meet their wishes and requirements accordingly.”
     
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  16. Gh21631

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    Not a rumor, I have some insight from good sources. I am already in line for AV replacement.
     
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  17. jpalmito

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    Aren’t 1200 hp a bit weak for buyers of this type of vehicle?:D
     
  18. italiafan

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    I think you guys are glossing over @day355 comment that the F167 will likely be a NA V12, just one with hybrid assist.
     
  19. ScrappyB

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    This was my interpretation as well.
     
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  20. therryzsx

    therryzsx Formula Junior

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    so next Aventador will have V12 NA ? and next Huracan will have turbo V8 from URUS?
     
  21. ScrappyB

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    I think you’re confusing them with McLaren buyers :)
     
  22. maha

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    oh 1200 hp for aventador successor! i have read ,next laferrari will have 1200 hp
     
  23. therryzsx

    therryzsx Formula Junior

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    So this will be first ever Lambo hypercar :D
     
  24. therryzsx

    therryzsx Formula Junior

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    for German economy electrification is some way problem cuz you need much less people to build electric cars than combustion engine cars, I can't remember numbers but in Germany something like 40 to 100k factory workers could lose jobs
     
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  25. Maximus1973

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    That would be a power increase of 50%.
    Not doubting your source, but it would be an insane power increase.
    And causing all sorts of major changes from chassis to gearing, brakes, everything.
     
  26. Maximus1973

    Maximus1973 Formula Junior

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    no flames = no game
     
  27. JTSE30

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    Unfortunately, CO2 is not the only villain in that Euro 7 is addressing...their goalposts have moved on to "health":
    https://www.automotiveworld.com/news-releases/the-ongoing-battle-for-stricter-vehicle-emission-limits-in-europe/

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    In our analysis, we modeled potential Euro 7/VII standards that achieve an 80% reduction in NOx emissions for diesel engines, and 66% for gasoline engines cost-effectively. Our analysis showed there is a big gap in emissions between future standards (Euro 7/VII) and current standards (Euro 6/VI). By 2050, if we simply continue to roll out Euro 6/VI vehicles, NOx emissions will be four times higher than if we were to adopt Euro 7/VII standards. This emissions reduction would prevent more than 35,000 premature deaths in Europe, equivalent to avoiding 568,000 years of life lost, between 2027 and 2050 relative to if we didn’t roll out Euro 7/VII (see figure below). The global impact will be even greater when you consider that lots of countries follow Europe’s lead with these emission standards, including many countries across Asia and South America, as well as most members of the G20.

    The Euro 7 regulation is appearing to be satisfied with no less than compete elimination of combustion engines from road car production...

    and, Euro 7 is also coming to remove road cars in general, including full EV, again, for "health" reasons:
    https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-9-2021-002194_EN.html

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    Non-exhaust emissions – primarily generated by the wearing down of brakes and tyres – have now replaced exhaust fumes as the main source of particulate matter emissions from road traffic. Therefore, the main source of particulate matter emissions from road traffic does not, as things stand, fall within the scope of Euro standards. However, technology exists which is able to significantly reduce non-exhaust emissions, particularly with regard to brake dust.
     
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  28. therryzsx

    therryzsx Formula Junior

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    Euro 7 is for Europe, so Ferrari still can build petrol engines for rest of the world ...
     

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