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..And the best sound in the business." That left the stable starting with the last half of the 812sf. "..pure celebration of a beautiful design" hasn't happened after PF left the building with the F12. I think the 167 has drawn out way too long. Maybe its me getting over the hype of new releases but this one is truly over the top. None of the drawings so far live up to it IMO.

The higher revving V12 is really nice but with a clogged exhaust like the 812comp its not going to do it. Now, if they released it in the US without that nasty GPF then that would make a statement but with the fact that they wanted to cancel the project and Apple nerds a-plenty it isn't going to happen.

 

Reading the past few posts makes me miss the days when schumacher was part of ferrari development team, back when ferrari was ferrari

 

Having someone from apple on the board and now such an integration of apple and ex apple people and partnerships on a car design level is a massive conflict of interest for customers and shareholder. Must also be on some legal level too. Apple is basically milking $$$ out of Ferrari for themselves, while taking over Ferrari from the inside. I am at a lost that Piero Ferrari and the 2nd biggest share holder if I am correct is letting them do this to his Fathers company. Ford didn't get Ferrari but Apple has wtf

 

That's what's wrong with it.

 

With its zero emissions policy, the EU will ban the sale of diesel and gasoline cars in 2035. However, it has decided to exempt cars run on e-fuels from its phase-out of combustion-engine vehicles. As there are studies that say that E-fuels pollute the air as much as gasoline, I honestly do not understand this duality of EU criteria, denoting that there was possibly political pressure to apply this exception for the so-called small volume manufacturers of combustion engines such as Ferrari.
Benedetto Vigna welcomed that decision to exempt cars with combustion engines that run on e-fuels from the planned phase out and mentioned that it is very good for Ferrari because it can run a thermal car with a fuel that is carbon neutral. There are some studies that concluded that e-fuel is a fuel for the wealthy because running a car on e-fuels over five years will cost a driver €10,000 more than running a battery electric car.
What appears to be a fact is that the use of e-fuel will allow, at least in Europe, the use of the combustion engine to be extended indefinitely. Given this and Europe being one of Ferrari's most important markets, there is no reason why it cannot continue to produce models equipped with V12 NA engines as long as there are customers interested in buying them.

 

This is a new trillion dollar market its the own reason its happening

 

Hydrogen is the deep reason I guess for this welcomed exemption.

 

Isn’t the point of e-fuels that they take carbon out of the atmosphere in their production, then release a similar amount at combustion? Effectively net zero. (And there is not a single BEV produced that is net zero). So, of course there are studies that show they emit similar CO2 to standard fuel.

The only reason the EU approved e-fuels is that they can be demonstrated to be as environmentally friendly as a ZEV. There is a law in the EU that says the state is not allowed to pass legislation that is needlessly restrictive or damaging to the freedoms of its citizens. Therefore, if you can prove that e-fuels are materially similar in terms of emissions then it is hard to argue they should be outlawed (in my limited understanding of how EU law works).

Then….add the fact that there is a very strong sentiment against EVs from the public currently, for some good reasons, and you realise that just wanting a ban, without providing the fiscal circumstances with which it can be effective, is not good enough. If governments are serious about an ICE ban then they need to find a way to pay for it.

 

Yes. Better. Carry on.

 

Without getting PR, e-fuels are not going to be the answer. And “renewables” are not renewable. But we will not solve the question as to why Western Civilization is bent on self destruction.

We are here mostly to discuss if the 167 will be fantastic! And, of course, to wonder if Ferrari will indeed self destruct as well.



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So you're at the top of the 20% day355 mentioned - sweet

 

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Your son is very lucky

 

No. I’m a very blessed dad…….


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Arrgh... my thougth: We're way too conservative! Ingegnere, your approach with the taillight is brilliant! They also hide the massive overhang of the edge and taillight under camouflage foil. The surrounding line is rising (as shown in my recent sketch). But isot thinks more innovatively and that's right in my opinion. Compare the pictures of the F167 and the Vision GT (and my markings). And don´t forget: day355 said that the F167 will be concept...

 

Wow! Good observation with the crease line running down the side. Would be cool to see that on the final car

 

All good puts, @ohno.

The pic I posted was trying to work out the lower area behind the rear wheels—the exposed area on some cars and similar to what the Roma is like.

The upper is more difficult—or was so prior to seeing the top pic in your post—but the area in the blue triangle is meant to be tapering inward. I just didn’t commit to the creases being straight across to the back—though not sure if still will cross through the rear or continue to rise in the middle to form the trailing edge. I can’t see the trailing edge being at the level of the horizontal light strip, like on the concept or 499P. The gas cap cover and location of the vents would indicate the “trunk” surface is arched.

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The wheel flare (red) could be just a bulbous spherical shape but most likely will have a ridge or spine to define the arc of the fender in side view and rest on the “horizontal” shelf at the back.

 

You don't think the 812 Competizione is better than F12?

 

So, a couple of random thoughts on this. First, I posted this a long time ago saying the F167 should look like this old Ford concept—which I think is a great combination of sleek design and aggressiveness, thanks also to its imposing wheel arch flares—and which I kind of expected the F167 might resemble in some way:

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These doodles I did some time ago (on work documents, LOL) I think capture what could be the wheel arches of the F167. Need to flesh out these themes in future renders:

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I take this silver thing.

Daniel

 

Nope

 

I was told the back Window is much smaller and that there is a clear line from front to rear.

 

According to the guys who never buy a Ferrari - F self destructs every decade.
Amazing how they survived past chrome bumpers / manuals / turbo's / hybrid
Puro will eat up production - making it hard to get limited or standard production.

 

Your user name is apt.

 

This F167 mule was spotted yesterday. When we compare its rear side with that of the 812 SF, 812 Competizione and Roma we see that it is a mixture of them all. The shape is similar to the 812SF, the air intakes in line with those of the 812 Competizione and the trunk is similar to that of the Roma. Will the rear of the final F167 really be like this? I'm betting on a rear that will be quite different from anything we've seen before, but with large air intakes.


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