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So it's fair to say I won't feel like my 812 Comp A won't meet up to the new age Standard or performance of the F167 to get me tempted to add it to my garage?

 

Interesting take. I did have a F12. I loved it dearly, except the way it behaved when driving hard close to the limit. I found it just frustrated me as it wasted so much energy looking for traction. It was just far to loose. The 812SF was a huge step on when i drove one and i expect the F167 to be another step on from it.

Surely the way we all hope and expect it will go down the road will be enough to want to upgrade from the F12?

 

Wait for the F167 VS

 

I’m flying over today from Germany just so see the F167 in reality - can’t wait anymore but my German dealer told me he has no information about the event and he tried to get some info by the German Ferrari headquarter in Wiesbaden but no answer until today.
I signed the LOI for the F167 more than a year ago so I will be a little bit disappointed if there will be no chance for a known customer to see it in reality if the car is there already.
OK, thank god there is the formula 1 race I will enjoy.


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Now that would be an interesting temptation

 

Titanium crankshaft? That's a new one. Don't think that's happening. The rest is already in production.

 

I thought the 812 Competizione had a titanium crankshaft, which is what i was hoping would be trickled down to the F167 But I guess it is a lighter more precisely crafted crankshaft made out of the traditional metal.

But there are a number of metallurgic more slippery and more durable surface changes which I hope will trickle down to The F167

 

Exactly one year ago I was in Maranello with my crazy friend Derek - I'm the guy dressed like a tablecloth on the right - and we spotted the F167 up close for the first time...
I think I also saw the launch color Verde Toscana..


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You could be right but don't think that color shows the styling definition the best, I highly doubt that will be the launch color. If I'm not mistaken that color is only available to Calvacade members

 

Never seen that published and don't believe that is true. Titanium is weaker than steel and cranks need to be very strong. The good ones are forged and then ground and polished. The 812C is lighter from the design but never heard it wasn't forged steel. A V12 crank is a monster.

 

Will the F167 be offered as a hardtop convertible only?
Or will Ferrari continue to offer both coupe and convertible models?

 

I think based on this thread info, answer is yes and yes.

 

I think the answer is actually no and yes. Op asked hard top convertible ONLY which I think is alluding to a portofino type model with no coupe.

I believe there will be both a dedicated coupe as well as a dedicated hard top cabriolet

 

I’m pretty sure you won’t be able to go to the reveal on the 2nd as that seems to be very limited to top customers. Not sure if they’ll have it on general display after that or not. Signing an LOI doesn’t really mean very much in the scheme of things. The top customers will get the first allocations and then trickle downwards from there.

 

That’s a fair point. All that you say on 812 is true, however it all depends how you want your car to feel. I learnt how to drive on a farm at the age of 11, Scottish heritage and my hero F1 was Jim Clark, for me still the best ever. Because of this I’ve always preferred back out edgy cars and learnt that precision and smoothness on throttle and steering could tame most beasts.. my back catalogue of cars have been 964 RS, 993 RS, 993 GT, CLK 63 Black Series various Brabus and the ultimate wild ride Carrera GT. So for me F12 is my style of car, and when I tried the 812 I noticed the interference of rear steer, same as some recent Porsches I have tried. I think if 812 had no rear steer and was a more beautiful design over F12, I would have an 812 in garage. Horses for courses and great Ferraris.

 

Just using some logic- as it’s a production car. If they do the reveal on the 2nd and they then release pictures to the public, I would imagine there is no reason to not display it at Casa Ferrari- I dont know if thats sold out- but- if it is not, then, you could buy tickets to Casa Ferrari- you also get to watch the race from a wonderful vantage point. Casa Ferrari is extremely well done- if you can go, I recommend it. And if you can see the new car there, then thats a bonus. It’s what they did last year for the beautiful Roma Spider.


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keep going JJ

 

I think the decisive element is the front axle, because the one of the Competizione is the best I have seen because it bites very the asphalt. If the 167 is better, then the car will be much better than the Competizione. We'll have to wait for the first serious tests to see the role of the centimetres less and the suspensions...

 

A shorter wheelbase makes a car more agile but less stable. With circa 850hp going through a rwd, front-engined powertrain, that could be interesting. But a counterpoint is that with longer overhangs aero is more effective I believe. The cantilever effect is stronger. So if, as has recently been discussed, this car has an aero story, the shorter wheelbase could play a significant role in making the car more agile but also more stable at speed assuming higher levels of downforce.

It goes against what this car was purported to be at the start though? The people who knew about it talked about a stylish GT rather than a more overt sports car. If there is not large aero - movable aero surfaces at a guess because either way I don’t think it will have aggressive aero in the form of an XX - then how they will deliver a car as driveable as the 812 with more power and less wheelbase is a question. I doubt they will want a car less driveable because it is such a valuable part of the direction they have been going in across the whole range.

 

The "administrative" GT classification is just present because the SF 90 exists with its 1000 hp. In fact, only Roma and Portofino are true GTs. If we consider that the 812 is a GT "in fact", then 167 l is also... which I don't think so, because I consider the F12/812 pair to be a kind of LF in an evening suit...

 

The maquette with no interior was down to dealers in this color in February, yes?

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The current car is overly large in length and width with long front overhang. The 812/F12 is a big car by any measure. It made for more stability but less agility (counteracted by the RWS in the TdF and 812) but still a big car. I have to take more care entering/exiting my garage with the GTS than I do with my MB Maybach S680.
I think a slight shortening of the wheelbase by a couple of cm’s and concomitant width (to keep it fully square) but even more so on the overhangs will go a long way to in making the car a hyper GT - a LaF in a finely fitted modern tuxedo- skinny pants and all.


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Haha, that was condor man..seems to have flown away!

 

In comparison, a 2009 Dodge Viper with a much larger engine (8.4L) that has a much better weight distribution of nearly 50/50 (vs 47/53 for the 812) and a useful 'trunk' has far shorter wheelbase (98.8" or 251cm) (8.3" or 20cm shorter!)

I always wondered why the 812 had to be so large, too big...

 

I think 50/50 is probably worse. Less weight over the driving wheels under acceleration, too much weight on the front wheels under braking. I wouldn't be surprised if Ferrari would shift more weight towards the rear wheels if they could.