I'm glad to hear you say this, and I trust your insight. If the curves and angles are more pronounced like in the render, I'll be quite happy.
The explanation seems quite logical to me. However taste is something very personal, what might not look so good for some future owners may look very good to others. So what right does Flavio Manzoni have to impose on Ferrari buyers what looks good to him? Even if in his egocentrism Manzoni is convinced that he is the Michelangelo of the 21st century, the truth is that he is not and never will be.
I believe this is getting to the 'personal' attack, criticism. Just my observation. He's doing his job. If we don't agree with his performance, we should try to keep it professional, IMVHO.
Doesn’t every car designer “impose” what they think looks good on their customers? I don’t ever recall being asked what I would like a vehicle design to be. All the pompous car designers decide that without me or my input. I think we should all have a say in the car designs! Power to the People - pull those pompous people down from their high horses!! Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
Where to begin? No, every designer does not impose their will on the customer. Any designer worth their salt listens to the customer, designs to the ‘brand’, strives to do a creative, new fresh solution, while meeting a multitude of requirements. It’s a very complicated process, and it’s not for the faint of heart. Constant criticism, Monday Morning Quarterbacking, and everything in between. Ferrari Chat bears this out. This thread and the multitude of threads about the 12C bare witness.Pompous designers indeed. Just because no one ever asked you for your input, there is a great deal of input, both good and questionable. Constant dialogue between the design team, past customers, potential costumers and everyone else within the corporation. If it were easy, anyone could do it. It’s not, and they can’t.
Yes, I have seen the car on two seperate occations. While these design elements exist in the real version, the end result is not exactly same as the sketch. For example, the proportion of the front bulges in front of the front wheels are much more prevalent in the sketch, while you really have to look for it in the real car. But I can see what Manzoni intended with the sketch. I think it looks really good. Something has been lost in the translation into making this into reality though.
I stand corrected. Perhaps Manzoni ignored or never asked for input. I have no idea. I’m sure the design process is difficult. I just never thought of any car design as someone imposing their taste upon the customer. But I am definitely a mere civilian! Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
Amazing how heavily rounded the nose is. You can't even see the other headlight from this angle (in the first pic). The picture looks like AI generated because of this, but I assume it isn't.
I think there's a difference between design elements that can't really be changed (it's not practical to modify hood vents for example) and design elements that are easily changed (like a paint color).* You could argue that the hood vents are "imposed" on customers. But it does feel different from imposing a particular color scheme. In this case, it's the choice to use two tones that has generated the controversy. It seems a bit gimmicky to me. I'd prefer that the shape of the car speak for itself rather than rely on "graphics" to make the design come together. Obviously this is a spectrum. No one thinks twice about a black rocker panel or diffuser. But this is quite a bit more dominant. It was bound to be divisive. Imposing such a divisive and easily-changed design element was bound to rub some of us the wrong way. ---- * I get why they would refuse pink and other garish colors. "Not black" hardly seems garish.
It’s quite simple really, don’t like the car as is then get parts repainted or better yet wrap the car in whatever color you want. That’s why an aftermarket exists for these cars- to perfect an otherwise imperfect car to your liking. Of course some aftermarket changes lack taste and or quality but as long as the owner is happy who cares? Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
Perhaps, though it's hard to know how well the paint would come out. How well can they color match, particularly if the surfaces are different? Will the panel gaps at the front look weird without the black to hide them? And I'm personally not crazy about how wraps look, at least the ones I've noticed. (Perhaps that's the problem though - they were noticeable.) It's a big leap to spend $600k on a car knowing that you have to modify it to suit your taste. Particularly with questions about how it will come out.
You will have to wait to see in person, but, let's face it, not everyone will love every design. If you don't like this one, there are other options, there are plenty of 812s and F12s out there, 599s, 550 and 575s etc. My own opinion is the odds are you will always know you wrapped or changed something, for some people it really bothers them when it's not factory. Im usually one of those people, so I'd leave it. Thats just me.
I’m one of the do not alter types too for cars of this value. For others they barely get the car out of the dealership and its new wheels, suspension lowering, exhaust etc Warping the whole car is the most innocuous as it is reversible whereas painting not so much. My solution is to get the 12C in black or another dark color and voila- problem solved. Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
Is the piranha effect gone now or is it hiding behind the black front grill mesh? Image Unavailable, Please Login
Def gone now. The other differences are that the current air boxes and bottom wing replaced the tasteful treatment in the sketch and clay model.
why pay $500k just to hide a controversial design might as well not buy the thing, at the end of the day the whole idea of speccing your Ferrari is to get the car you want in the color that you desire, not worry about fixing unwanted design elements
I haven't seen the 12 C coupé in person yet and I consider this to be absolutely essential for a correct assessment of the car's lines when we look at them from different angles. However, there is something that I can already conclude by looking at the three side views of the 12 C below. I really don't like the wheels with which the car was launched and IMO it looks much better with the ones shown in the second image. In the last image you can see a 12 C without the black rear flaps, which from this angle and in my eyes highlights the cohesion of the car's lines. From this angle the version without rear flaps is certainly my ideal 12 C coupé. It is obvious that the suppression of the rear flaps would imply the complete redesign of its rear in a more classic and less revolutionary style not from the world of aeronautics and science fiction. What it seems to me is that radical innovation alone is no guarantee of good design and there is nothing wrong with innovating using previous proven designs as a basis. Image Unavailable, Please Login
