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I happen to like Nero and would probably order it in that color but CdF or one of the darker blues would do as well


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I actually don't like black cars in most instances, but I don't like the contrasting black bits on this car even more (other than the front Daytona style strip)...

Thinking of the adage if you have nothing nice to say, say nothing at all but I vehemently disagree with the design decisions on 12C regarding 1) the aero flaps on a GT V12 cruiser 2) the required contrasting black bits on the rear and roof if you aren't allowed to paint those body color and 3) if I could take the liberty, the wheel designs

It's still an incredible car and achievement for the soon to be owners, but IMO this could have been better executed

 

Got your point, but I believe that the entire car in one color is always hiding, not changing, I explain why:

The delta theme proposed by Manzoni and his team consists of lines (cuts) in the body forming the delta design, added to Nero DS as a contrasting color (according to the launch car configuration plates).

This way, if the car is entirely nero, rosso, giallo, etc., the contrasting color no longer exists, but we still see the delta cutouts on the body.

Therefore, the car in a single color, be it nero, rosso, giallo, hides the delta due to the absence of a contrasting color, but the body cuts remain visible, even in all black if seen during the day.

I find it very interesting that a two-tone Ferrari launched was the LaFerrari. The black roof, in combination to the engine glass piece, clearly formed a strong and beautiful design element, and the cabin formed a capsule, a black dome, and this two-tone with these elements were already present in Manzoni's drawings and in the design development mockups. Therefore, it is an inherent element of the LaFerrari:

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And, even with all this design dynamic, these elements that were born as part of the LaFerrari design, Ferrari opened the option for customers who wanted the car entirely in one color.

What if the LaFerrari was launched today? Would certain people say that roof in the body color "only over my dead body" or that whoever wanted roof in body color "didn't understand" the LaF design?

I could also mention the SF90 with Assetto Fiorano, which was born with a black roof and, together with the CF elements, forms almost a delta, but can be configured entirely in body color.

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I don't understand this unprecedented "imposition" when it comes to 12Cilindri.

 

I couldn't agree more!

I was only speculating about their rationale. I don't agree with it.

They had to know the black bits would be divisive. If they don't think the design works without them, I wish they'd gone back to the drawing board rather than imposing them on their clients.

 

So you’re not getting one? LOL[emoji23]. I personally like how the metallic paint changes with the panels. I always enjoyed my Rosso Maranello on the 812 never looking uniform, but highlighting different sections at varying light exposure angles. The car and paint never gave it all up at once.

 

A question to those who would want aero flaps to be painted in body color. In which color do you want spoiler flap sections to be painted?

 

On the spider, I would want that whole black section painted in body color, yes.

For the coupe, it's less clear to me. I guess what I'd really prefer is a simpler design at the rear (drop the delta wing motif) in which case, yes, I'd want it painted (similar to the Roma).

But within the confines of this design, I'm less sure. Having that section in black doesn't look as goofy to me as the black winglets. And I don't love the idea of two colors on one panel. So I might leave it black. I'd have to see it.

 

I have this same design challenge in my mind. Opted for coupe first, and the more I see the black bits the more I'm becoming ok with them as I design the look. The spider though that back rear feels disconnected from the rest of the car design, and I agree, it would look much better body color, or at least more cohesive. If they wanted to go extreme, they could have designed the areas between the two buttresses black as well to almost mimic the delta wing design on the coupe, although inversely. That would have been a wild look though, thinking through it.

 

The preferred 'option' is removal, as in, do not add this pointless nonsense to the car that greatly disrupts its appearance when in-use. Again, those flaps serve no functional or in any way 'important' purpose, there needs to be an option to not have them at all. Unlike the 'bat wings' on a Murcielago that open to allow increased airflow to cool the engine, these contraptions on the cilindri are just disruptive for no purpose.

 

I really would love to sit and chat with the design/engineering team on the thought process for the active aero flaps on this specific car. It feels very disconnected and just thrown in for a cool effect. I'd be curious to know why the V12 received active aero but the SF90 did not, and I don't believe the SF90XX has active aero does it?

 

It was yet another copied 'feature' of the Pininfarina Enigma GT concept, per this:

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Sitting with design team would be waste of time as they'd never admit it.

 

The SF90 gurney wing is a patented active aero device.

 

Oh cool wasn’t aware of that. Thanks for


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The aero flaps in body color, and the three small pieces that form the spoiler in carbon fiber (these as is already optional in CF).

This spoiler, configured in CF, forms a good integration with the black part where the rear lights are, IMO.

And it balances the black elements, the band between the headlights at the front, and the spoiler at the rear.

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See that in the Enigma the delta concept works well as it does not invade the side of the car. The side design flows without interruptions.

In 12Cilindri, the fluidity of the side is sacrificed in favor of the delta theme, as the black parts simply "invade" the sides, forming a break in the design.

In my opinion, the black roof above the rear side window is also not ideal, as it hides the beautiful design of this window. The black theme could be further up front, with the black roof just above the front side window.

I really like the 12Cilindri, but I think this could have been better executed, or given customers the option of contrasting parts in body color, pleasing greeks and trojans.

 

I think there are quite many new cars that have black pieces to complement the body color. I would go as far as saying that black panels are currently trending.

Anyway, very unlikely to have any relation to Pininfarina design due to timelines of both projects.

 

Why should Ferrari follow trends?

This car would look so much better without any of the black bits aside from the front Daytona strip... give me Bianco Italia with tdf wheels! Would look incredible

 

I would love to see the 12C in a bicolor option similar to the original Berlinetta Boxer.
Make bottom half black and any other color for the top half and leave the black bits alone.
I would do it myself if I were adept at picture manipulation.
It would be an interesting experiment to see what it does to the car


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Ferrari is of course trying to set the trends, not follow them. I think LaFerrari was quite influential in making two tone design fashionable.

https://europe.autonews.com/article/20180221/ANE/180209881/two-tone-cars-are-back-helping-the-bottom-line-but-also-adding-challenges

Then again, Manzoni must have been impressed with Toyota C-HR (1st gen, 2016) as both SP3 and 12 Cilindri appear to be borrowing elements from that design.

So it goes both ways. Of course you are always trying to create something new. Deltawing and overall roof concept are certainly unique.

 

Personally, I'd pass on the Daytona strip at the front too. Same for the 365 GTB/4, which looks best to me without the plexi-nose.

 

I’m sorry, but I think the Enigma is dumb looking - especially compared to the 12C. If it is copied, then Ferrari improved dramatically. It is fine as a concept, I guess, but as much as people talk about those of us who like the 12C being brainwashed, if you truly love the Enigma, you must be Pininfarina Brainwashed!!


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Enigma is ugly other than the canopy.
Its wheels are even uglier than the 12C blade wheels (and that is hard to do!)


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Flavio Manzoni, with his elaborate prose, tries to convince the world of something that many of us cannot see.
The similarities between the 12 C coupé and the Daytona are like night and day.


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Does anyone like the Enigma? Or even not dislike it?

 

Yet the wheels look like a Hyundai and the rest looks like an Enigma? It looks way more like a Daytona than those two.

At least iMO


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