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People who like it are bound to think it will age well. People who don't like it probably won't.

@MDEL is wrong that no one other than Manzoni appreciates the car. But Mario's opinion of the car is neither wrong nor right. And we can only guess about how the car will be judged with the passage of time. I tend to agree with Mario - I don't think the SciFi elements will age gracefully. But, time will tell.

 

Whether aesthetically the 12 C will age very well or not is something that only time will tell. However, what is guaranteed to age very well is the naturally aspirated V12 under the hood.

 

Is he auditioning for the next George Lucas movie? "Left the human dimension behind", next he'll start introducing his designs with "In a galaxy far, far away..."

 

FERRARI THE COMPANY THAT NOW MAKES UFOS ON WHEELS

In a recent interview carried out by Auto & Design with Flavio Manzoni about the F80 he stated:
"With the Ferrari F80 we wanted to break all the codes. To go beyond, to create something unique." "Right from the first drawings four years ago, the intention was to create a car that would refer to futurism, that would also be a manifesto of Ferrari’s new stylistic canons: we left the human dimension behind to move towards something more avant-garde inspired by aeronautics: an UFO on wheels"

I agree with Manzoni the F80 is in fact an UFO on wheels that he cross-dressed with a 365GTB4/12C style at the front and an F40 style at the back.


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These sci fi designs are so awful and not pure Ferrari. So disappointed and also with the joke of a sound the F80 has not to mention the same design components as Daytona yet again. Unoriginal and wouldn’t have thought to copy and paste that style particularly for Ferrari and more so for a hypercar.

 

The last quality v12. Not the only but last.

 

I actually suspect the 12 Cilindri is a future classic. They they may have absolutely nailed it.

 

Nailed it as in the coffin?

 

Not in the slightest. Seeing pics of this car in normal settings. It looks absolutely fantastic. Can’t wait to see one in person.

 

Exactly.
The launch colors, like Giallo Montecarlo, with Hyundai wheels, give an undesirable futuristic effect.
The more "normal" configurations, with the standard silver wheels, make the 12 Cilindri very classic.
The overall design is very good. I just think it should have round taillights. The car is quite curvy, and round taillights would match it very well.
Round taillights are a Ferrari signature, almost all of them throughout history have had them. I hope that Manzoni forced habit of putting LED stripes instead of beautiful round taillights ends soon.

Suggestion for Novitec: perhaps a kit of round taillights, two smaller ones or one large for each side. I'm not a fan of visual modifications, but this one would be welcome.

 

Even the new, modern Lancia Ypsilon (Stellantis product) has round taillights, so why can't Ferrari have its traditional lights back?

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I’m not speaking about hypotheticals. The car as is looks very good in real pics of it.

 

I'm not hypothesizing about the beauty of the 12Cilindri either. It is indeed very beautiful, with organic lines and proportions.

I just said that, IMO, it would be even more beautiful with Ferrari usual round taillights.

 

Some details of the car, that I shot today.

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Well, everyone has their opinion but it’s unfortunately very unattractive to my eye in the pictures. I hope the “in the flesh” difference is significantly positive. Also, looking for Novitec to fix anything aesthetic or engineering wise is like asking a coroner to do open heart surgery.

 

Ferrari was always a forward looking company. They cannot afford to be stuck in the past.

What is the point of doing the same thing over and over and over again? Where is the progress in that?

 

I don't think round taillights are something exclusively from the past, but rather "timeless".
For example, when the 458 was launched. It was extremely modern, but the round lights were there.
These straight LED strips are used by all brands: Byd, Porsche Taycan, Q8 etron, etc.
I do not consider it in any way "forward thinking" to use an element that all brands are using.
I think the round lights are very "Ferrari", just as modern, and are much more exclusive and beautiful than the "Jedi sabers".
Just my opinion.

 

Because it is the safe thing to do.

 

You know of course that in the '50s all sports cars had round tail light, right? It was just what they did back then, not a Ferrari thing. Time to move on.

If Ferrari thought like that their cars would still have carburettors and drum brakes...

 

Machs nicht.

It's either beautiful or not, whether that be futuristic, evolution or retro.

 

Round tail lights were done in the 50s and 60s because bulbs were shaped the same way. Today with LEDs anything is possible. Ferrari could have done round using LEDs and add some depth to keep some semblance to Ferrari history. The pexiglass front panel on the original Daytona was a one off- not a marque defining moment.

 

I wish it had stayed that way.

 

Interestingly, AMuS claims in the print version that 12 Cilindri has 54 kg lighter gearbox than in 812. There is no way that can be true. I wonder from where they pulled off that figure?

 

They most likely meant to write 5.4 kg, not 54...

 

That was my initial thought too, but it was mentioned twice in the article.