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Discussion in 'Technical Q&A' started by kgoose, Feb 2, 2005.

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  1. kgoose

    kgoose Rookie

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    If a major servive was performed including cam seals with timing belts, and a tensioner roller became noisy after one year, would you do all seals belts water pump etc again .
     
  2. parkerfe

    parkerfe F1 World Champ

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    yes. So were the cam belts and seals changed on your Boxer last year on the cheap with the engine still in the car so the tensioner bearings were not changed and they have now failed? See my reponse to your other post.
     
  3. jrg1

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    Depends.......is the engine already out of the car?
     
  4. BigTex

    BigTex Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    That would tell you the previous tech did belts only without the tensioners......change vendors!
     
  5. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    One year, no. I would make sure I did everything that was needed but I would leave all that more recent stuff alone. Replace that belt and tensioner and put it back. If when it was out last, if the lower cam drive bearings were not replaced I would do them. They are the same as 308 but due to the extra 4 cylinders do not last as long. Half of the BB motors I pull out are for that reason alone.
     
  6. jrg1

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    Actually, the belts were changed on my boxer last year, and the mech. says he removed the engine, but didn't do the seals b/c they looked fine and weren't leaking........a major had been done two years before I think "on the cheap".....what do you guys think of removing the engine and just doing the belts and bearings? I will withhold comment.........
     
  7. jrg1

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    And it actually was 3yrs since the cheap job.......does that change things?
     
  8. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    Is there anything wrong with it now?
     
  9. BigTex

    BigTex Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    he has started simultaneous threads, he's had a tensioner fail.......
     
  10. BigTex

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    sorry, not fail, get loud..........
     
  11. jrg1

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    I took it to a different shop, and had three different mechanics tell me the engine had not been out of the car......lots of leaks, etc
     
  12. BigTex

    BigTex Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    that's a clue!
     
  13. jrg1

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    no failure......i will explain at the end
     
  14. kgoose

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    The prior job that resulted in a noisy roller was not a cheapy job it ,all the necesary items were changed.
     
  15. boxerman

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    i first had my car done at shelton many yuears ago when I bought it. the car didnt run above 5000 rpm and the tensioners made noise from day one. It was not a cheap job either. I spent a fortune sorting their ineptitude bit by bit.

    Nevertheless those noisy bearings lasted untill the next engine out 7 years later. That being said if its on your mind do the job properly and you will avoid that little voice of doubt each time you go out. There is a huge difference in the way boxers can run. If it hasent been sorted properly I'll bet the distributor weights are frozen too, and what about the water pump? are the fuel hoses new? . If you drive hard bite the bullet and do it right. It'll run as is but whats the point.
     
  16. jrg1

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    Ok.....so let's say it was not a cheapy job, a tensioner bearing goes south, no catastrophic failure, just a sound that's not right.....so three years after the service, you have the engine out.......what work should be performed for this service? And could the bearing/belt replacement be done with the engine in the car?
     
  17. kgoose

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    How clean and fresh should I expect my engine to look if I had driven it this summer with, 2 torn cv boots (inner), oil tank drain leaking, valve cover leaking. This sounds like a retorical question, but I've driven other cars with a few leaks and wonder if this car is more susceptible to becoming "a mess".
     
  18. kgoose

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    The cam seals are still not necesarily the source of any leakage
     
  19. jrg1

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    All this was happening on your car after a major service? How long after the service?
     
  20. kgoose

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    a year later ,but a couple of different mechanics worked on the car. One mechanic said he would waranty the valve cover, hes the one that did the service. But not the oil change that left me with a leaky oil tank. Does anyone think these items were caused by the major service ? the mechanic who did the service was only willing to warranty the V.c. gasket . Should he have covered it all?
     
  21. thecarreaper

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    sheesh, glad i work on my stuff myself or with friends. scary thread, given i want a Boxer. :(
     
  22. jrg1

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    BigTex Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    They can spring leaks like a screen door in a submarine, bro!

    That's why if you are gonna touch 'em you throw the engine out on the floor and DO EVERYTHING!

    ....and know back to our story..
     
  24. jrg1

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    Do everything huh? Hey kgoose, you here this! Bigtex, so am I right in saying that for $12,000 my cam seals, water pump, etc should have been done in addition to belts and tensioners?
     
  25. BigTex

    BigTex Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    Am I in an arguement here????? I'm gonna move to Switzerland!

    A service for a Ferrari should follow the printed regimen from the Manual, for best results.....it's clearly delineated there, what should be performed..

    That said, the warranty on service on the cars lasts until the first turn of the steering wheel, at which time anything can go wrong, and sometimes does......

    We've done post service diagnostics on cars where the $12K apparently covered a thin sheen of WD40........so beware!

    The Boxers are big cars for big boys......faint of heart, or wallet, need not apply......
     

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