Article in Autoweek mentions 0-62 in sub 3 secs 220 mph Top end Gear change in .05 Secs.Plus some really good driving dynamics Could it be a better car than the Enzo?
Better? Or Faster? Do you measure by the driving experience? Or the numbers? Cars are getting faster all the time, so you'd expect cars to best an Enzo by a tenth here or there. That said, I'm prepared to like the Aventador / 834 very much. The advances in composites sound interesting, and you've got to be impressed with Lamborghini's commitment to an all-new V12.
The Enzo was designed 10 years ago so it really doesn't surprise me that the new Lambo is a bit faster/more modern. I'm sure it's a good driver but personally I think the direction Ferrari is going with the Enzo replacement is a better one than the big Lambo is traveling. TTV8 and much lighter. A TT street legal version of Lambo's last concept would interest me more than a 834.
And then there's the TT Pagani coming out. It's been rumored to have already reached 411km/h in testing.
I doubt Pagani can give Ferrari a run for the money after all they are small and lack the resources the big guys have
Lamborghini LP 700-4, an AW Flash Drive By MICHAEL TAYLOR on 12/10/2010 Recommend (6) Print The Lamborghini LP 700-4 prototype will evolve into the next version of the Murciélago. What is it? This is the Lamborghini LP 700-4, a shadowy, camouflaged prototype that foretells of the Murciélago replacement. It uses a 700-hp, 509 lb-ft, dry-sump V12 and loads of carbon fiber for a lightweight demeanor. There are three of these prototypes in the world, each in a different stage of development, and they're worth gazillions for their information-gathering value alone. How's it drive? With the V12 howling, the four wheels bite harder than they ever did on the Murciélago (it's now a Haldex IV center diff, rather than a viscous coupling) and the seats slam you so hard they take your breath away. All the while, the bellow in your ears is shamelessly belligerent, but with a sheen of smoothness the old V12 never had. It's as if the only tremors coming from the motor are the ones Lamborghini wanted it to have, rather than the ones they were forced to live with. No other car in the world changes gear this fast. First to second hammers home in just 0.05 second in the Corsa mode, and it doesn't do it smoothly, either. There's a marked, metallic bang and a shudder runs through the car and then it's back, ripping all 700 horses into the road again. Read more: http://www.autoweek.com/article/20101210/CARREVIEWS/101219997#ixzz1AlMeSC4M
I personally agree, for my tastes. The sheer size of the Murcielago turned me off, and it appears that the 834 will be larger still. There is no reason that a moderate displacement twin-turbo V8 couldn't happily put out 800+ horsepower in street trim today. But I'm not sure the entire system would weigh considerably less than the new Lambo V12. There has always been something sexy in a V12's exhaust note....... Nothing stops me from appreciating both
The C9/Deusventi/Huayra ? I believe Horacio said it would meet US safety and emissions standards. http://www.worldcarfans.com/110012124131/pagani-c9-next-generation-supercar-details-revealed---price-900000-euros
Maybe I should've italicized, bolded, and triple underlined the word rumored. The claim was made by an italian member at-- http://forum.pagani-zonda.net/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=102&start=75 . You have to sign up to see the thread.
What does any of that have to do with the individual car's performance as compared to a modern Ferrari? If this is just another "which is faster" thread, you're wasting your time bickering over whose overhead is the biggest. If Lamborghini hasn't built a car to rival the 10 year old engineering in the Enzo, I'd be stunned. _J
I just asked for an article/source, man. No need to suggest that I didn't see the word "rumor" in your OP. I'm assuming that you didn't hear it via word of mouth from someone at Pagani, hence the reason I asked for an article. I don't think that's unreasonable. Even rumors have to have their source, and when someone claims that a production automobile did over 250mph at some point in development, someone usually covers it. That's kind of a big deal.
Pagani have, and will continue too I'm sure with there next generation model give Ferrari a "run for its money" in the supercar arena. The quality, the finish and the detailing on the Zonda's surpasses anything Ferrari has ever produced for the road.
My apologies for the misunderstanding. I was not trying to admonish you, or say you missed the word. Instead, when you asked for a link, I realized that many people would dismiss the source, and that the if I emphasized the word 'rumor' in my previous post it would have better communicated how indefinite the claim was. I happen to believe the claim. Nothing is for sure, but the poster seemed to be knowledgeable and/or have connections at the factory. Also, the top speed was supposedly during private testing in South Africa, and therefore wouldn't have been covered by the news outlets. 250mph doesn't seem too far fetched for a million dollar, TT V12.
Typing can easily be misread, so I'm sorry if you got that impression. My problem Jas, is that I disagree Pagani make an inferior product. I feel that regardless of R&D programs or racing history, there are auto manufacturers making extremely comparable products to Ferrari all over Europe and the USA. For example: -Pagani's performance statistics are on par with some of the most exotic Ferrari models and are built with an arguably more collectible esteem. Resale for Zondas holds stronger than most modern Ferrari's, and without a racing program, the engineering is still impeccable. -Caterham participates in little to no mentionable motor sport, yet has the same if not superior capabilities as any track-focused Ferrari on track for a fraction of the price. -Mosler has participated in various levels of motor sport for over ten years and builds a product with exceedingly similar performance figures as Ferrari's ten year old Enzo with models like the MT900XX. -Koenigsegg never got involved in racing, yet took the production car speed record from McLaren before Bugatti, with the CCR, and continue to push forward with astounding success. -Pound for pound, Noble builds a more affordable alternative to a Ferrari with explosive performance. If your point is that no other manufacturer bears the history of success in motor sport as Ferrari, you're still mistaken. Mercedes, Alfa Romeo, Audi and Porsche have blood lines that run just as deep, if not deeper, and the wins to back it up. Even as a Ferrari die-hard, it would be illogical for me to think Lamborghini couldn't build a car better than the Enzo in this amount of time. You can't shew away every other amazing bit of kit based on past performance and general industry success. If anything, it's wiser to be able to see a comparable investment. _J
I see your reasoning now. I very much agree. When I read your OP I didn't think it sounded too far fetched either. I think that Pagani builds cars very much in the spirit that Gordon Murray built the McLaren F1; that is, his cars are built with very little compromise, and increasingly less the more clients/cash he gains (carbo-tanium, anyone?). The original F1 didn't set out to have the blistering top speed it eventually attained, it simply realized that top speed as a result of superior engineering. If Pagani goes 250mph (in later versions, mind you--the current rumored specs of ~700hp don't seem quite enough for that much speed; we'll wait for later versions), I won't be surprised. Now, after successfully hijacking a thread about a Lamborghini... Back to your regularly scheduled programming.
My point is by the virtue of having ten time's the engineering resources Ferrari and Lambo are in a better position to make a superior product to Pagani as long as you compare value proposition as well
