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83958 Major - 2016 - Air Injection Pump

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  1. vincenzo

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    #1 vincenzo, Dec 16, 2018
    The Air Injection Pump (AIP) was removed from the car many, many years ago. The check valves had failed and allowed wet exhaust gases to backup into the pump. The pump was ruined.

    Here is a pic of the original AIP’s vane rotor and the surface it seals against as it spins. The vane rotor was so badly corroded, it seized.



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  2. vincenzo

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    #2 vincenzo, Dec 16, 2018
    The Ferrari pump is No Longer Available (NLA) and has not been for many years.

    Here is a pic of the new Mercedes pump as a substitute. The pump is identical with the exception of the electrical connector and the inlet/outlet piping.



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  3. vincenzo

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    #4 vincenzo, Dec 16, 2018
    A few snips with a wire cutter and the Gold Connector Kit from Scuderia Rampante and voila... Perfect Ferrari electrical connections.



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    #7 vincenzo, Dec 16, 2018
    After some detailed scraping/ wire brushing back to bare shining steel, it was coated with POR 15 anti-rust coating. Should be good for many more years.
     

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  8. vincenzo

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    #8 vincenzo, Dec 16, 2018
    The “Cut-off Valves” were disassembled, cleaned and inspected. They just snap apart but you must be VERY careful not to crack the plastic.

    They had LOTS of iron oxide (rust) residue coating the inside.



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  10. Steve Magnusson

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    #10 Steve Magnusson, Dec 16, 2018
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    (Adding the F PNs for the air pump and cutoff valve to this thread so that it can be searched, and found, using them.)
     
  11. vincenzo

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  14. turbo-joe

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    #14 turbo-joe, Dec 17, 2018
    for what you need such AIP? this pump has been installed to match the emission rules and has been tested on a dyno system ( right word?? ). when you now go to make a smoke test they have no dyno and the exhaust gases are ok without this pump.

    I imported form california from 1984 until 1989 a lot of cars ( not ferrari ) and always put those AIP out. when measuring the gases there has been nearly no difference if using those pumps or not.

    also those pumps are a joke for the emissions: the exhaust gases are dilute by those additional air but the pollution is still the same
     
  15. vincenzo

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    #15 vincenzo, Dec 17, 2018
    Yes - you are absolutely correct on everything you say. The AIP only kicks on at cold start.... it is essentially a worthless, lame government mandate.

    .... but, I am trying to keep this car at 100% correct.

    One thing though: it does cut cold start emissions. The extra oxygen it pumps into the exhaust will allow the catalytic convertor to work more effectively.
     
  16. ago car nut

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    #16 ago car nut, Dec 17, 2018
    I removed mine carefully and stored it in a box. If someone want's to be 100% original, easy installation.
     
  17. vincenzo

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    #17 vincenzo, Dec 17, 2018
    no matter how bad the condition, the old pumps need to be saved!

    mine also sat in a box, rusted solid for 15+ years. It is being reborn as a parts donor!
     
  18. Rifledriver

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    #18 Rifledriver, Dec 21, 2018
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    Air pumps work quite well and for a different reason. It was most certainly not junk science. The fire usually goes out in the exhaust leaving unburned hydrocarbons because of a lack of O2. Problem is worse on cold engines. Heat and fuel are present, all that is needed is oxygen. An air pump supplies O2 so remaining HC can fully burn. It is extremely effective. On modern cars with O2 sensors and cats take time for those components to heat up and become active, the air pump covers that gap. Very modern cars with highly developed engine management systems have little or no need for air pumps.

    I applaud your efforts in keeping the car intact and original. Ours is as well. The check valves rust out and allow a reverse flow of exhaust cooking everything. They need replacement every few years.
     
  19. vincenzo

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    #19 vincenzo, Dec 21, 2018
    Thanks Brian - your kind words mean a lot to me!
     
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    #20 vincenzo, Dec 21, 2018
    The POR15 is hardened enough that today the Ferrari air ports could be tapped into the Mercedes Benz AIP. Here it is, ready to install. The POR15 will be covered by the hose and only the OEM yellow zinc will be exposed. The ports took a bit of a beating with the prying out and the tapping back in. Not sure if there is a better method; these ports are not intended to come out!
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    #21 tommydogs, Dec 28, 2018
    Thanks, this is a helpful thread for me. My air pump seized up a few months ago, and I live in California and have a smog test due in January. I ordered supposedly a new Denso air pump that should work (from a guy on eBay with 100% positive rating and over 14,000 transactions). I put the thing in my storage area so I can't see it now, but it might need the Ricambi connector kit, and maybe the check valves should be replaced as well.

    My car used to take about 5 minutes to "warm up" before it ran well, and my mechanic found there was a problem with one of the Bosch fuel metering pumps, so I had both of those replaced. Now it takes between 1 - 2 minutes after a cold start before the cars seems to run right. I wonder if replacing the air pump will help.
     
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    #22 Rifledriver, Dec 28, 2018

    No and a functioning air pump is not really required to pass California smog. Air pump only runs a minute or so after a cold start and operating or not has zero influence on running. Take your car to a Ferrari mechanic well versed in the Testarossa and get it diagnosed.
     
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    #23 turbo-joe, Dec 28, 2018
    as brian said: N O ! ! !
     
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    #24 tommydogs, Jan 19, 2019
    Just passed (California) smog today with disconnected air pump.
     
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  25. vincenzo

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    #25 vincenzo, Jan 20, 2019
    Only because the visual inspection was done by a clueless tech.

    These pumps only run during the cold start cycle. Once warm, they shut off and have zero effect on emissions.
     
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