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  1. tahoecharlie

    tahoecharlie Rookie

    May 26, 2016
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    Can anyone tell me the serial # when the 328's switched to the updated anti-dive suspension for USA cars? These cars had the convex wheels but NOT the ABS that the '89's had.
    Thanks, Chuck
     
  2. nerofer

    nerofer F1 World Champ

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    The first car with the modified suspension is ZFFWA19B000076626, an Euro GTB produced in February 1988 and sold new in Italy (but that is today in Canada).
    76626 marked the beginning of the modifed cars' serie, which I usually call "série 2", which have the modified suspension and convex wheels.

    HOWEVER: There is a difference in "Euro" models and "US" models.
    - for "Euro" cars, ABS was, and stayed, an option only, this until the end of production (#83136, september 1989): in Europe, you could order your car with, or without ABS, but you had to pay extra for it. For instance, my April '89 GTB #81085 was ordered with it, my February '89 GTS #80515, without.
    - for US cars, all MY 1988 (the so called "88 1/²") were produced without ABS, all MY 89 were produced WITH ABS: ABS never was an option.
    The first confirmed MY '89 US 328 I have is #78835. #78823 is the last US 328 confirmed as a MY '88. (There is an oddball however, which is #78479: it's still in the middle of '88 MY cars, but has a "K" VIN, which identify it as a MY '89)

    The tell-tale for the ABS is the brake fluid reservoir:
    -if it is large and exactly in the middle of shroud surrounding the spare-wheel, in front of the windscreen, the car has ABS.
    - if it is small and offset towards the passenger's side, the car doesn't have ABS.

    A "caveat" about the production after #76626: almost all cars had the revised suspension and bulged wheels, except some here and there which were still the former "serie 1", such as 76632, and a dozen of RHD cars; the last I have inside the série 2 production, but still with the former suspension and wheels is 77684, an Australian RHD GTS.
     
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  3. bertrand328

    bertrand328 Formula 3

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    As usual nerofer is right but I would like amend his comments concerning RHD car.
    The last « serie1 » 328 I have is 77692 also an Australian GTS. And the first RHD « serie2 » 328 in my data is 77892. So I don’t know ANY RHD 328 with bulged wheels before 77892 ( but of course I don’t know all of them )

    My theory until today is that all RHD 328 ( UK and Australian ) switched for revised suspension after LHD car ( but I don’t know why ) not just some exception.
    Is there any Fchatter know or have proof of one RHD 328 « serie 2 « before 77892 ? Or any RHD 328 between 77692 to 77892 ?

    Also according some Australian observation, any Australian 328 would have been fitted with ABS, even which bulged wheels. But in this case I don’t have enough data to confirm or invalidate that.
    Anyone know Australian 328 with ABS ?
     
  4. tahoecharlie

    tahoecharlie Rookie

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    #4 tahoecharlie, Jun 8, 2018
    Last edited: Jun 8, 2018
    Thanks for the reply; but now I'm even more confused. I'm looking at a car with VIN #67089, DATE: SEPTEMBER 1988 that has concave (flat) wheels and thought, given the Date 9-88, that it should have the revised suspension (serie 2). Given the info you posted above, it would seem that this car's VIN/DATE is way out of sequence - can you explain this seeming discrepancy?
    Thanks, Chuck
     
  5. greyboxer

    greyboxer F1 World Champ

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    67089 was showing as azzuro blue metallic in 2006 here and in the registry similar cars are September 1986 not 1988
     
  6. tahoecharlie

    tahoecharlie Rookie

    May 26, 2016
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    Here is a pict of the VIN tag as posted to the sale site for #67089. Are you saying this is a "fake"? Car is Azzuro Blue Metallic.

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  7. Saabguy

    Saabguy Formula 3
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    Umm, is it just me or is there a stamping behind the numbers that does say 1986?
     
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  8. greyboxer

    greyboxer F1 World Champ

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    Isn't tenth letter H saying MY 1987 ?
     
  9. tahoecharlie

    tahoecharlie Rookie

    May 26, 2016
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    Ok, checking a few other cars (Bill Noon's '89 on BaT auction running now) the Date and VIN # ARE STAMPED on the the tag - NOT "printed". So this has been photo-shopped and is "fake". So question: what should I do? Report it to sales site? Confront seller? Move on?
     
  10. bertrand328

    bertrand328 Formula 3

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  11. bertrand328

    bertrand328 Formula 3

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    Of course you know that this car is for sale here ?!
     
  12. tahoecharlie

    tahoecharlie Rookie

    May 26, 2016
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    I did not know that. I do not frequent Ferrarichat. Car was on eBay several weeks ago. Picts are from eBay listing.
     
  13. nerofer

    nerofer F1 World Champ

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    Hi Chuck,
    There is obviously a mistake here, either intentional or not: 67089 can't be a september 1988 produced car, and Jimmie (= "Greyboxer") is right on all accounts.
    The car is very much way out of sequence to be a september 1988 car. We know of out of sequence cars, but by some weeks at most, not by years...
    Furthermore, the car is listed in Matthias Urban's book, the register of Ferrari chassis numbers, published in 2007, meaning it has already been spotted somewhere at the time; as ZFFXA20A5H0067089, as a MY 1987, which is confirmed by the "5" in the VIN.
    Conclusion: it is a september 1986 produced car, MY 1987.
    It is therefore misrepresented as a september 1988 production.
    Rgds
     
  14. tahoecharlie

    tahoecharlie Rookie

    May 26, 2016
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    Still awaiting an answer about the FAKE VIN tag on this car's ads, both on this site (ad says MY 88) and the eBay listing.
    Apparently Ferrarichat does NOT police it's ads.
     
  15. tahoecharlie

    tahoecharlie Rookie

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    #15 tahoecharlie, Jun 9, 2018
    Last edited: Jun 9, 2018
    Thank you for your clarifying post. So what does one do about a situation like this?
    The seller has listed this car twice on two different sites representing it as an '88 and posted picts of an "altered" VIN # tag. this is outright FRAUD.
     
  16. nerofer

    nerofer F1 World Champ

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    To quote ZZ Top's track on the "El Loco" album, I would'nt "Touch it even with a ten foot pole".
    You would be in a hell of a mess should you need to resell it one day. A Ferrari with a discrepancy in its plate? Not me, brother, never!
    That plate should be amended and corrected by an anthorised dealership before you even think about buying it.
    Just my two cents...
    Rgds
     
  17. nerofer

    nerofer F1 World Champ

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    There is a very simple question here:
    Why has the original plate, as shown by my good friend Bertrand, been replaced?
    A repaint? But the original plate could have been refitted...
    Either it is a mistake on the new plate, in which case it should be changed in an official dealership, or there is something fishy.
    Agreed, only the production date is wrong, the VIN itself is correct, so it is a minor discrepancy, but nevertheless...
    Rgds
     
  18. Falcon

    Falcon Formula 3

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    It may be the same tag. The original has a mark above the "A" in Ferrari. The current tag also has a blemish in the same location. It appears to have been touched up. I'm guessing someone detailed the tag and read it wrong because the 6 was obscured by the black painted border. I don't think there's a promblem here because the mistake in not in the VIN and should be easy to correct by removing the numbers painted over the original stamped digits.
     
  19. bertrand328

    bertrand328 Formula 3

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    Yes Bruno. The good question is : why ?
     
  20. Saabguy

    Saabguy Formula 3
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    That is exactly the question!

     
  21. bertrand328

    bertrand328 Formula 3

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    Bump !
     
  22. troyce

    troyce Karting

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    Yep, indeed there is. It was my mistake in photo-shopping (for my personal record-keeping purposes - and then letting myself get confused by what I'd done and posting the image to FChat) the "1988" over the "1986." I misread the "6" as an "8"
     
  23. troyce

    troyce Karting

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    Explained elsewhere, but yes, the image is photoshopped and I myself made the error with the date and in submitting the resulting image to FChat. My apologies.
     
  24. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    Do you have a photo of the VIN stamped on the frame for clarity? And maybe an undoctored photo of the VIN plate?
     
  25. troyce

    troyce Karting

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