911 R crazy market

I guess the difference is when dealing with Ferrari you knew what the game was but it is kind of a new paradigm with Porsche, at least to me. It appears they are trying to get in the same rarified atmosphere as Ferrari and Porsche fans are not yet adjusted to the different factory thinking from Porsche. Lets hope the thinking does not prevail in the future as that kind of thinking is not how Porsche built its image it its prior history. One persons opinion!

 

how about a novel thought...

create your own special edition by building it from the parts book... why wait for the marketing dept to gather a crowd

 

Would putting together something like the R out of parts bin yield a car that's as refined as it could be?

 

Just take the stickers off the R's 6 speed and put them on a regular 6 speed?

 

Doesn't it also have ground effects that generate significant down force and at least partly compensate for the lack of the massive rear wing?

 

about as much tuning as the GT3 or GT4 cars need if one is to compete, they need a lot of work to make them competitive, otherwise one can get a very capable and unique car to their specs to enjoy... and get decals that would look much better

 

Just watched Top Gear with the new cast review of the 911 R and GT3 RS. Prefer the R by far. That RS huge wing is a deal breaker for me. Now if they would just make an R targa version...one can always dream.

Car configurator says SOLD OUT.

 

I really like the way Ferrari uses ground effects to not have to resort to ugly wings.

Even if they made a Targa 911 R, what difference would it make, unless you are one of the 918 owners of the 918 as they would have first call on them. lol

 

I wonder how many 918 owners are selling vs keeping their R's.

the only one I know is keeping his...both his 918 and 911R are PTS cars (and pretty weird specs).

 

If Porsche had balls, they'd tell those guys ROFR only contingent on keeping them for 18 mos. Or fill the pipeline first, then build the 918 guys ROFR cars.

They won't. Porsche cannot play this game for long. A car that looks like a used 65k 911 is not worth premium. But what do you expect from a truck company.

Nobody uses them. Great cars. A waste. Stupid Turbo S or Panamera TS sticker for more than an RS. Porsche dealers act like those things are gems too. LOL. TTS feels like a Buick, pitches, rolls, and shifts like crap. Fast, but so what?

 

A buddy of mine has the "R" on order and he'll drive the hell out of it. He drove his 918 home from track day in the Virginia area cuz he can - it was supposed to be shipped both ways - he said **** it and drove it home .....

MDS

 

The whole 991 R silliness shows that Porsche Ag has moved on from its Golden Era of the 997 cars and the first generation 991 cars, and has lost both its credibility & direction with many of us who have owned 911s for 30 years and still do (991 GT3).

The 991 R is nothing but a blatant market ploy by the manufacturer which is aimed at separating $ from the wallets of customers, nothing more or less. There is nothing special about the 991 R, nothing original, and nothing a true enthusiast needs to be particularly proud of, as it is one of those packaged vehicles created on the basis of past glories strictly for the purposes of selling cars.

First of all, the manual gearbox idea is silly, unless of course you want to be behind the wheel of a slower car. In the 997 era, the manual gearbox was appropriate, because that was the norm. Currently, PDK-S is the norm and the manual gearbox is simply, well, slower. Its obsolete for the current platform’s technology, and doesn’t impress anyone. The manual gearbox is simply Porsche capitalizing on the heritage sentimentality of some who ought to simply buy an old-school manual gearbox car by saying: “hey, you want a slower manual gearbox car so you can feel like you’re driving a heritage car? we’ll sell you one. For a lot of money. And we’ll upset all the faithful by making sure most of them can’t get it. And then you can thank us!”

Secondly, the packaging is hilarious. The car basically looks like a 991 GT3 with no wing. Period. “What did you do with your GT3?” people will ask. “Ohhhhh, you modified it, eh? R stands for R-Gruppe right?” Perhaps it stands for Ridiculous. Automotive Ridiculousness, that is. This is no purpose-built car, its a parts-package car with no reason for existence other than to create desire & sales, a car put together by the simple expedient of a badge and some stickers. Please.

Thirdly, anytime I see a manufacturer go back and insult its past glory by borrowing an old name and whoring it out to sell more cars, I roll my eyes knowing full well that nothing screams “Ive run out of ideas and have nothing original to offer so I’ll just steal from the past”. Its SO contrived when a car is realized with an old name - right there that’s the reason I do not want it. Come on Porsche, you can do better, I get that not every song Bob made was a hit, but spare us the grief and get back to being original, please.

Tomorrow I’ll tell you what I really think about the 991 R and Porsche Ag these days and no, I never tried to get a 991 R, I never wanted one, the purpose-built 991 GT3 series homologation car that revs to 9,000 does me just fine.

 

I like the big ugly wings!

 

I respect your opinion and you certainly know a lot more about cars than I do but I genuinely didn't expect such a response from someone who's expertise is in obsolete technology.

I've owned a lot of Porsches and have driven PDK several times but never bought one. I've also owned an F1 Ferrari, an R8 with F1 style transmission and a few double clutch Audis and BMWs. I would pay extra for a manual transmission. I don't care if it's obsolete. It's the correct transmission for the kind of driving I do.

That being said, the prices being paid for 911Rs is crazy. I'd pay maybe $10k extra for a GT3 manual. If it's not available I won't buy a GT3.

 

what's amusing is that it has already backfired...a lot of people want this car and can't get one so Porsche has pissed off a big chunk of their hardcore customer base, AND they've pissed off a huge chunk of the R buyers (who are, as mentioned, super mega customers) by jerking people around with all the PTS and CXX nonsense. Porsche tried to steal Ferrari's playbook but I think they are missing a few pages

 

Wow, Joe. While I agree with almost everything that you say, this isn't one of those times.

I lust after the 911R because of what it is. It's an ever-so-slightly-softer 991 GT3RS with a real manual transmission. I could be really heretical and call it a "street version" GT3RS, but that's pushing it.

I'm equally frustrated that Porsche limited its production, and that virtually all of that production went to 918 Spyder owners, but then again, those buyers stepped up to the plate back then. Plenty will be on the open market once they actually start shipping to dealers, and we'll see what the real market price is.

 

Also, at least Porsche made the car. You might have to pay a crazy amount to get it but that's better than Ferrari. You can't have a manual transmission Ferrari at any price.

 

Totally agree and nobody is guiltier of this than Ferrari - 599 GTO (it's a GT but definitely not Omologato), F12 Tdf, etc. These companies used to make history, now they simply try to monetize history...