Sensation of Paris: The German Super Car S-CD 1337, 75 930 Turbo #0014 on the cover of the October 17th,1974 Auto Zeitung (Auto Newspaper) magazine. The cover photo is very clear and you can see the remants of a 25 Years Driving in its Purest Form decal at the bottom of the rear window (perhaps removed for the 74 Paris Salon). Theres something different about the position of the rear wipers on the 75 930s as the ends appear to extend further into the tail vent. Im not exactly sure if its a different wiper arm or different mounting position. The 75 tails are unique as they lack the inside indentation where the wiper motors attach on the '76 and '77 models. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Just wanted to comment that I am still very much enjoying this thread. I don't have the depth of knowledge to add usefully to this thread, but am learning a tremendous amount. Meanwhile, summer here in the Toronto area has been gorgeous, and the 930 is getting plenty of exercise.
Photo of Rolf Stommelen’s 1976 930 in the Oct ‘77 Christophorus. It’s likely the provenance of many 3-liter turbos has been lost and someone could be unwittingly driving Rolf Stommelen’s former car. Image Unavailable, Please Login
Photo of 3-ltr Turbo in Martini trim at the wedding of Peter Windsor, Sports Editor of Autocar, and Antonia van Soest of Holland. From the Jun 77 Christophorus. Image Unavailable, Please Login
Ive enlarged the images that Joe previously posted from the Japanese sports car vinyl record. http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/142773410-post1853.html The details provided in the photos are interesting as they provide insight on how the 28, 1976 930s were delivered to the Japanese market. Here are some of the details visible in the photos: - Euro rear bumpers - Euro rear tail lights - Euro dash and instruments (no U.S. seatbelt warning light and 300 KPH speedometer with Japanese market red range markings) - ECE homologation E number decals are just visible in the drivers door panel - Becker radio - U.S. sugar scoops and headlights - U.S. front bumper parking lights (note - they protrude from the bumper) - Japanese style rear leather seats with seat belts - Fog light delete - Manual black drivers and passenger mirrors (not visible in the photos but Porsche probably deleted the power controls on the drivers door top for the Japanese market). Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Very cool thanks for posting. Interesting the article mentions that a track-test of a Carrera 2.7 Touring against a 75 Turbo would be interesting when in fact, the Porsche factory compared the acceleration and torque of the Turbo to the 2.7 RS and other contemporary Porsches in the Apr 75 Christophorus. Often overlooked today when people compare vintage to new cars, against their in-period peers, the Turbo was very quick and Porsches own factory test curves showed the 75 Turbo with faster acceleration and torque with all except the 74 Carrera Turbo RSR, Carrera RSR 3.0, and Carrera RS 2.8. Graphs caption: The curves are divided into 3 groups: racing versions, lightweight coupes, and comfort models, yet the road Turbo, a comfort model, accelerates faster than the 2.7 RS and 3.0 RS, two light-weight Coupes. The road Turbo acceleration curve lies just below those of the proper race sport cars. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
RM Auctions has a 1974 Lancia Stratos up for auction on August 16, 2014. 1974 Lancia Stratos HF Stradale by Bertone | Monterey 2014 | RM AUCTIONS One of their photos shows the Strato's data plate with ECE “E” and "DGM" numbers. Even though the DGM designation is known to be used exclusively on Italian vehicles, perhaps the 1975 Porsche 930 trunk plate’s “DGM” is somehow related to the homologation or “E” numbers. It’s still a mystery and I’ve found nothing in print or on the web that explains why Porsche only used “DGM” on the 1975 Turbo plates. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Total 911 - 40 years of the Porsche 911 Turbo 40 years of the Porsche 911 Turbo | Total 911 Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Ryan I noticed a mystery object in the rear window of the photo you posted that may be a vent or perhaps a measuring instrument. This same object appeared in the 1975 Turbo in Peter Falks October 1980 Christophorus article on road testing and the February 1976 Christophorus article with a same Turbo in Tunesia. In addition, the same object appeared in a photo in Karl Ludvigsens, Tribute to the Turbo Carrera this time a '75 Turbo at Weissach. Its likely that all of these photos are of the same 75 Turbo, perhaps a Weissach test car, chassis #0001 to 0010. This would explain the missing Turbo badge (removed for road testing in the snow and when it took the trek across Tunesia). Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Rich, very interesting and great spotting this detail. There are at least two 930s here as you'll note the one in the black-and-white photo appears metallic AND has a rear wiper, while the other photos don't have the rear wiper. The positioning of the thing is also higher on the black-and-white photo than the others. It almost looks like some sort of decal, like a bar code. The fact it was still on the Turbo going across Tunisia indicates to me it wasn't some measuring device as it wouldn't have been left on that long (or repositioned the same). The first red one appears to be positioned closer to the left hand side than the later Tunisia car. Unfortunately I looked through all my period photos and couldn't find other examples. Ryan
Ryan, good point they are probably different early Turbos with the mystery item. Tribute to the Turbo Carrera has some great factory photos that I have not seen anywhere else including this photo of a white 1976 Turbo Carrera still in Germany with a USA and # in the windshield. I thought it was an inventory or test number but I noticed the Japanese market 76 Turbo on the 45 record also has a six digit number in the same position on the windshield. Perhaps these are part of the chassis numbers for the cars: white USA Turbo Carrera - 9306 800051 and silver 930 - 9306 700237. It would be pretty cool if someone has a white U.S. 76 #0051 or silver RoW 76 #0237 as they could be the turbos in these photos. Karl Ludvigsen probably has many more unpublished factory photos that he could not fit into the original Tribute book; a good time for an expanded reissue with a lot of eager buyers Rich Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Yes, that white tag with red numbers is indeed the last six digits of the chassis number (doesn't include year). This has helped me quite a bit with correlate factory photos to individual chassis for the Carrera 2.7 MFI book that I'm writing. While not directly related to the early 930 Turbo, it will include a significant number of factory photos from 1974-1976 that are relevant. I'm not sure what year the Turbo that is on the album cover (which would be #0237), but it is definitely not a 1975. The Revs Institute bought all of Karl Ludvigsen's photo archives. When I was doing research there for my book I couldn't find the original photos used in the "Tribute to the Turbo Carrera” book, but they are still digitizing his (and many other) collections.
Very nice to confirm the purpose of these numbers in the windshield. Did these numbers stay on the cars after they were imported and then were removed by the receiving dealerships? The 930 on the Japanese record cover is a 1976 as it has 15" Fuchs, no A/C center vents and no center console so that would make it 9306700237. Perhaps this 930 is not a fog light delete but was imported without the fog lights attached (some assembly required?). Additionally, perhaps Japanese motor vehicle regulations required different than standard mirrors? I noticed that U.S. '76 #0051 is on your 3.0 liter registry. Is the owner on Ferrari Chat?
I had already found '76 #0051 in the "Tribute to the Turbo Carrera" book which is why it was in the registry I don't have any more info on that chassis. I'm not sure when these numbers were removed from the windshield. I don't think I've ever seen a photo of a car freshly delivered to a dealer. The silver Japan '76 #0237 may be the closest thing we've got...it is hard to tell if this is in Japan or at the factory. If at the factory this would confirm those unusual mirrors were installed before being shipped out (is there a name for these mirrors!? I've always called them Australian style). Yes, Japan had its own road registration regulations including requiring passenger side mirror. However, for 1976 I'm not sure why the electric flag mirrors wouldn't have been sufficient! Their road regulations also required US sugar scoop headlights and the US front reflectors, and I believe different fog lights like the US models (but the factory should have been able to install those). I don't know what the difference between the US and RoW fog lights were, but there was a special US/Japan option M566 in 1976 that wasn't available in other markets. Option M429 for white lenses in other markets, and M430 for yellow.
Rich, Were the Japanese mirrors and rear seat installed at the factory on '76 #930 770 0237 that is in the photo above? The photos above seem to either be while the Turbo was still at the factory in Germany, or when the Turbo first landed in Japan prior to delivery to the first customer. The rear seat had the Porsche factory part number 911.522.050.70 for the Turbo rear seat (and 911.522.050.00 for the other 911 models). I'm not sure exactly what the difference might be between the Japanese rear seat bottom part numbers other than I think the .70 version is for leather. Ryan
The mirrors appear to be factory installed since a standard '76 drivers electric flag mirror would have a larger mounting hole that would not be covered up by the smaller mount black mirror. 76 #930 670 0237 is the first 3-liter Japan-market rear seat Ive seen but they also fitted them to 78 & '79 930s. The seat bottoms have an extended leather section across the entire width (no cloth inbetween) so they look quite different when the seat backs are fastened up (a few images below but unfortunately the seat backs are down). http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/142171762-post613.html Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Here's a closeup of '76 #0237 rear seat bottoms (note the leather extends the entire width). Image Unavailable, Please Login
I actually have one of the original black Japanese rear seats in my parts stash!! It looks exactly like the one in the photo of 1976 930 #0237 (mine is from a 1975 911). There are heavy mounting brackets on each side that fold down towards the footwell. It doesn't perfectly match the seat back material, being quite a bit more "slick" or shiny. However, the white example you showed above looks to match with the same material...these must have been produced at the factory.
S-CH 8158s sole appearance with rear fender gravel guards (shark fins) and Pirelli P7 (vs. CN36) tires in the August 21, 1975 Automobil Revue magazine. By June and July of 1975, many 1975 930 Turbos may have been taken in for rear fender paint chip repair and Porsche decided to equip all 930s with gravel guards to protect the finish. When '75 930 2 GOO first appeared in British magazines in Aug & Sep 75, it was equipped with gravel guards. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Hello. First post here! I have been looking for a 75-77 930 for a few years. I bought one last year and was a little too much of a project when it arrived so I sold it for what I paid ....I have a 79 with 48k miles.....a mint 88 930....and a 1980 talbot yellow 911 sc....but an early turbo has really been on my list to get....so....last week I bought a 1977 silver 930 with red interior and tartan inserts in the seats....pics coming when it arrives! Paint is tired...motor redone though..dash is bad however .....anyone know the best source to properly get a dash recovered ? Can't wait till the end of the week when it gets here!,, Mike
Mike, Member "jfort" just had his dash pad recovered on his '77 silver with lobster interior so you may want to send him a PM. It will be nice to see photos of your '77 Turbo Carrera. Silver with red interior and tartan inserts sounds very cool. http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/142916755-post2201.html
Hey Mike is this the car that was posted on the PCA.org website? I believe the car was in central Ohio, Columbus. I love the red tartan seats, really rare in the states. Congrats and welcome. Autobahn interiors in SD is know for excellent porsche upholstery. I've been very satisfied with there work. regards tony..
I thought I saw a 1975 930 with a whaletail that didn't have the secondary small/large cooling grill, but I can't seem to find any photos. 0012 and 0014 have a secondary grill in the magazine shoots so I guess I must have been wrong.
