And then Idart posts some sense into everyone - got to love it. Sorry gents, but who cares about the value. I got my one and only in 2012, for an ok price. And there is ZERO interest, now that I consider to sell it, with it being in pristine original condition. Just a Turbo Carrera in Germany Let these cars be, let the dudes be, and specifically let Joe be. For all I care this amazing resource is on him. Like all Porsches the 3.0 will go up, but if its another record or no, who cares. My 5 cents
Erik, I agree with you as the point of my posts has already been established. We are actually in the process of selling a nice single-mirror chrome-trim 3.0 Turbo Carrera and all these comps are part of the pricing process: https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/porsche/930/1898271.html https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/porsche/930/1892907.html https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/porsche/930/1854706.html https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/porsche/930/1872778.html I will post more details when the deal is completed. Image Unavailable, Please Login
Cool photo. I love anything that is period photos showing "how things were". Thanks for posting Rich! Is Dan's Grand-Prix White with Gold Fuchs chassis number known? Not all Turbo Carreras received the Tectyl wax undercoating, it depends how they were prepared for shipping.
Joe, what is the chassis number for the 1977 Sienna Metallic Turbo Carrera with chrome trim that you posted the photo of? Neat Turbo!
Joe, please stop starting threads about cars like the Miura, Countach, 288 GTO, F40, Enzo, GT3 RS, and 930. Clearly your countless posts of accurate and well researched historical information you have posted is nothing more than hype to pump up values. I'm certain your books on the GTO, F40, and Miura were also tirelessly researched and published so that you can sell a few more "used cars." Everyone can see through your thinly veiled motives! Be banished from the thread you started! Just trying to put things in perspective and lighten the mood. As it relates to values, if you try to sprint a marathon you will quickly get winded. Like a fine wine, the true classics only get better with age.
The wide fenders are one of my favorite attributes of the 930. I have to admit I do like Magnus' set up of a lowered stance and Hoosiers. Image Unavailable, Please Login
I wonder what these papers were taped to the inside of the windshield on this Turbo Carrera (or Japanese Turbo) photo from period Porsche brochures. Anyone have better example shots of these? Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Ryan, I promise to post all as soon as Im cleared to do so, yes, very neat 3.0 here in California and likely will be staying here.
Ryan - no chassis # listed in the PCA Nugget Golden Gate region newsletter but it is a 1976 Turbo Carrera since it has 15 inch Fuchs.
Enjoying skimming through my Classic Car Auction Yearbook 2015/16 (Orsi and Gazzi). In one place, all major auction house (public) data for thousands of classics sold (and not sold) between 1st Sept '15 to 31 Aug '16, including our favourite variant of the 930. Bang for buck, the best $100 I spend on books every year. Useful to keep a record of the VINs here? Sale prices in US$ equivalent at time of auction 1975 10/12/15 9305700163 330,000 copper brown/tan 1976 31/10/15 9306800232 214,000 plat/cinnamon 1976 28/01/16 9306800074 187,000 white/cinnamon 1976 29/01/16 9306800143 198,000 ice green/cinnamon 1976 12/03/16 9306800466 255,000 plat/brown 1976 19/08/16 9306800292 132,000 silver/black 1976 20/08/16 9306800054 258,500 silver/black 1977 06/09/15 9307700053 151,624 martini white/blue 1977 28/01/16 9307800362 170,500 copper brown 1977 29/01/16 9307800254 264,000 ice green/black 1977 09/07/16 9307700567 141,253 grey/green 1977 19/08/16 9307800305 275,000 silver/tartan 1977 20/08/16 9307800186 126,500 silver/red 1976 13/05/16 9306700626 NS metallic blue 1976 13/11/15 9306800084 NS salmon/black 1977 25/06/16 9307800715 NS copper/tan 1975 sold 1 car avge 330,000 1976 sold 6 cars hi 258,500 low 132,000 avge 207,417 1977 sold 6 cars hi 275,000 low 126,500 avge 188,146 No Sale 3 cars Total cars sold for Year 2015/16 = 13 hi 330,000 low 126,500 avge 207,952
Hi Could you tell me if you,de chromed yours? As far as i know Porsche dos not sell the unpainted ones. The mirror do not look easy to come out,was just wondering. Thx Dave Image Unavailable, Please Login
Yes, sanded the chrome. The body of the 1975 mirrors and the reintroduced Porsche classic mirrors are plastic vs. metal. The Porsche classic versions are chrome over plastic so you can easily have a body shop sand the thin chrome layer and apply primer and body-colored topcoat in any desired color. The more difficult part to paint is the chromed metal base but I had this sanded and painted with no problem.
Very interesting data, I just wish it stated a professionally assessed condition rating. I presume the condition was the largest factor in the price differences. Do these numbers include auction house premiums?
Book states, "the hammer prices include the buyer commission" Understandably, as they are listing thousands of cars offered for sale across the year, the only info you get on condition is taken straight from the individual auction house's rap sheet. But once you have the VIN of a car I'll bet, in most cases, you are only a few key-strokes away from finding photos and forum commentary on condition and provenance. They also do a good job of showing data breakdown by marque etc. Porsche auction sales in total went up from $106mm gross to $109mm last year BUT the sell through rate was sharply down from 76% to 66% as the number of cars for sale was up from 404 to 538. Relative to that, 3.0 Turbos, with an 81% sell-through rate, do appear to be at the strong end of the Porsche curve. FWIW, for the collector car auction market as a whole, total $ spend in 15/16 was roughly the same as 14/15 (around $1.2bn) but, as with Porsche, the total number of cars offered was much higher (5644 vs 5156) and the sell through rate for the market as a whole was down noticeably (72% vs 78%).
I've seen many of these cars and at times posted my quick thoughts on this thread. If you have a question about any car in particular, feel free to reach out.
Do you think the very high price for the sole 1975 car reflects a premium for that first year of production? If so, I'd better review the insured value for my '75 car (UK supplied c/n 225)! Btw, is there anywhere online that tracks, collates and publishes worldwide classic car auction results? That would be a useful resource indeed.
It is generally accepted that the 75 MY carries a premium to the 76 and 77. I can tell you that the 75 listed above was just an ok car that needed some rework.
Sports Car Market covers large sales, but picks key cars to include, not all. Hammertime iOS app has real time results from all the big auctions, along with some historical since they started.
The 75 mentioned above was also an interior color change (including adding of tartan) and added black Turbo stripes.
I still like spending $70/100 a year on the books I mentioned for a complete and objective record of all cars sold at auction that I can pick up off my shelf whenever I like. Book CLASSIC CAR AUCTION YEARBOOK 2015-2016 - of Orsi Adolfo, Gazzi Raffaele But the only web based service that comes close to what you want is the Kidston K500 Index. https://k500.com/index Annual subs for all data access are around $80. For that you get access to a commentary and ranking of all the cars that Simon and his team think are worthy of "collector" status. You don't have to agree with him. But it's a useful insight into how someone with a great deal of experience sees the lay of the land. Interestingly, all valuations he provides are based on public auction data. So, on any model of car listed, there is a graph tool available; an auction value graph showing the evolution of pricing over time with clear plots provided by every hammer event from the major houses. If you click on a plot point you see the underlying info: MY, VIN, Auction House, Date, Price. Annoyingly for our cars the Steve McQueen print skews the scale and nobody has corrected it. But I can tell you that public auction data on this site pretty much agrees with the Orsi and Gazzi Collector Car Auction books and shows that the Turbo 3.0 as a collector car is a new concept for the major auction houses. Only 2 '75s sold at auction in the last 5 years. Only mid 20's of all 3.0 varieties in total and all but 2 of those since 1/15.
