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930 Turbo Carrera

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  1. jjonesx86

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    Nice to see this beautiful 77 hammer for over $200k.

    https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1977-porsche-930-turbo-carrera-17/

    Tasteful mods and a really well put together package. I still say it was undervalued but I’m now clearly biased. I bet Singer’s Turbo study raises the interest level in the 930, although I know they are building theirs off the 964.
     
  2. donv

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    @donv, thanks for posting this. I was going to post it just now and then I saw your post.

    I am available to answer questions about this car. It's a spectacular example of a very original 76 930. Fully documented since new. I sold the car to the current owner (my consignor) so I'm very familiar with it.

    And, the auction is no reserve, so it will sell to the highest bidder!
     
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  4. donv

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    I'm the high bidder for now!

     
  5. Kevin Moodley

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    Hi, I am redoing my interior and need some help with selecting the correct design.
    The car is a 76 930. I need confirmation on the front seat perforation design...the distance between the holes.
    Appreciate any help so I can get it right.
     
  6. donv

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    Isn't it the same as any other 76 (or probably 75 or 77) 911?

    That said, I would look closely at the link above on BaT-- that one is quite original and has some pretty good pictures of the seats.

     
  7. Kevin Moodley

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    Thanks. I would guess it is the same as any other 76 911. I just don't have access to any to confirm the distance between the holes in the leather.
    Appreciate if someone could measure and post the dimension.
     
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    3 Porsche 930 Turbo Auxiliary Air Regulator BOSCH of 1975 Turbo. prices 200:- USD /200Euros
    Bosch 028 140 204


    4 Alternator 911 76-81 / 930 75-77 - 14V 70A -Rebuilt by Vertex newer used of 76 Turbo
    but fits 911 76-81 with 70A. Prices 225:- USD/225:- Euros

    5 Porsche Genuine Porsche Ignition Wire Set, Shielded Cables, have measured them and they are good, test all resistance the same on cables for guys that like to be 100% stock, some cleaning, just dust prices 250:-USD/Euro for all 6 part number 911-609-010-07-OEM

    New price!

    1 Set of 1975 Turbo C&P and pins, of a car that had just 70,000 km, we had a new set for the Client! pistons weight from 439-437 see picture and scale. This is a very rare set, one small chip at cylinder 5, 5-7 mm see pictures, very simple to fix,, but not needed.
    Need honing and new rings of a ROW model and then they are good to go to any 3,0 L Turbo car! Prices 1,700:- USD/Euros + shipping and pay/pal fee




    Parts are in Europe

    All prices are + shipping and pay/pal fee

    Thanks, PM for more pictures.
     
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    That 1975 Turbo 3.0 chassis 930.570.0091 from the auction was reportedly offered through Dream Garage in the Netherlands last year with a 350k EUR asking price.

    Is this a case of everyone being asleep and a no reserve auction gone wrong? Someone got an incredible deal...hopefully the seller just bought it back.
     
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  13. donv

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    350k euros seems absurd. US$120k seems a little low, but not much, depending on condition. The US 76 that sold on BaT was very nice and fully documented from new, and sold for $150k, seems about right. If the 75 was run hard and put away wet (not unlikely in Europe), $120k might be correct.
     
  14. jjonesx86

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    All the publicly available sales data for a 75 Turbo points to much higher prices. Not many data points out there but this one is much lower than anything else in recent years.
     
  15. donv

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    What makes a 75 worth so much more than a 76?

     
  16. jjonesx86

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    I’m not an expert but based on publicly available data, the 75 has consistently demanded a significant premium. Fewer of them, the desirability of the very first year of production, higher collector interest driving up prices. I was drawn to the 75 because it was the first turbo Porsche.

    https://www.classic.com/m/porsche/911/g-body/930/turbo-30/year-1975/

    https://www.hagerty.ca/apps/valuationtools/1975-porsche-911-carrera_turbo

    I’m biased because I want to see these sky high premiums continue as I pour money into the restoration of my 75
     
  17. rynoshark

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    The 1975 model year Turbos are considered the original homologation cars and rare, with only 274 produced. However, I'd consider any Turbo build with the 930/50 homologation engines as fitting into that...Porsche had to build 400 engines to FIA homologate them, so the first hundred or so earliest RoW spec 1976 Turbos also came with the 930/50. A stock 930/50 engine was in the 1975 Turbo that won its class (GTX) at Le Mans in 1975 (the only 930 ever to be a class winner). The 1975 has many unique parts/features that were revised on the later 1976/1977 models, both engine-wise as well as interior. These are also the very first Turbos sold by Porsche ever...so first year will always carry a premium.

    For the last 7-8 years 1975 930s have consistently traded for much higher values than the 1976-77 models. The 1975 Turbos are usually $100k+ over comparable condition/color desiribility/etc later 1976-1977 models. The overwhelming majority of 1975 Turbo sales are private transactions and they rarely come to public auctions (which is why the datapoints are smaller). For 1975 Turbos that tick the condition/provenance/color boxes, many of the private sales have been in the $300, $400 (and up) range. The driving/feel difference between my all original 1977 Turbo Carrera (now sold) and my original 1975 Turbo is significant. The 1975s are slightly lighter (less sound deadening, simpler interior upholstery panels, single speaker, no carpets on pockets, etc), the purest styling (no shark fin fender protectors), and more raw feeling.

    In general, European spec Turbo 3.0s typically trade for a slight premium over US spec due to the perceived higher horsepower...however, having seen some of the original dyno results, I can tell you it isn't that cut and dry. The Porsche published specs were minimums, and engine performance varied considerably. There were some US-spec engines that pulled similar horsepower to typical Euro-spec 930 engines on the dynos. And some Euro-spec engines barely struggled to meet the minimum on the dynos. So, the hp ratings were just a guide and estimated minimum for different engine configurations (930/50, 930/51, 930/52, 930/53, 930/54 all during 1976-1977).

    IMO, if you want a Turbo 3.0, buy what you love! If you want a nice Turbo to drive as intended, then buy a 1977 or 1976 Turbo Carrera, as those are the biggest value for the buck in the early 930s. You'll save considerable cash. However, if you desire building a collection or want the "best of the best", then immerse yourself into the nuances of year/color/options/provenance/documentation/etc. The price premium goes up quickly when you start trying to find/buy Turbos which have the attributes collectors/car nerds desire.
     
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    Porsche 930 Turbo 3,0 L Airflow Sensor

    Very early ones work on 75-77 cars and they are rare in these conditions, some cleaning, and is as new, good to have a spare of them! of a 75 or 76-car ROW

    Airflow sensor BOSCH0 0 438 120 024 is in well-used condition and works well, it has been check-up for balance and poping freely back just, been in the store for + 35 years some screws are missing but this should be new when so just put some after that measuring balance and gasket with new screws that was for another car., we still have some more early parts, just need some time to gi true boxes,, the complete system has, and much more

    Price 1500:- USD + shipping and pay/pal fee. ( eBay prices just check the conditions are 2-6k)
     

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  19. Sterling Sackey

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    Currently seeking a Turbo Carrera 3.0, please reach out if you have one to sell. [email protected]
     
  20. idart

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    More on 9305700051. It is still equipped with the original Turbo dash plaque.

    The car that the company exhibited at the "Automobile Council 2023" held at Makuhari Messe from April 14th to 16th is a one-owner, fully original, that has been sleeping in a garage for over 20 years. A 1975 Porsche 911 Turbo with a mileage of 30,000 km.

    Turbo is a special existence among 911. Furthermore, if it becomes the first car to be officially imported into Japan, it will be a valuable individual with a venerable history and value as a cultural asset.

    This 911 Turbo is probably the only one among the beautifully polished cars exhibited at the venue, and the dusty and conspicuous appearance is impressive.

    https://8speed.net/porsche/17622809

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    Cameo photo appearance of my ’75 Turbo in the recently released book, “Alwin Springer – Racing With Porsche in North America”. This is a 1975 photo showing their first location prior to expanding to their larger facility.

    During this early period, ANDIAL installed my '75 Turbo truck brace, changed the final transmission gear ratio, and added a few other goodies. Per Fred Veitch, the 917 and black #13 in the photo are Randy Townsend’s cars and the orange 911 was owned by Hal Shaw.

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    930 content at 15 min.

     
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