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97 F355 Spider ECU Issue/Smog Issue

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  1. Loser

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    I may have found the problem. The idle regulator had partially popped out of the air delivery tube. I put it back in. I guess it's just a pressure fit because I don't see any screw holes. Out for another drive shortly.
     
  2. jm3

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    There is a clamp around it that holds the idle regulator up to the airbox.

    I am concerned about your short term trim always being "zero" If I recall correctly, this is from the maf while the o2 sensor more affects the ltft. I might be wrong, but I think thats a clue.


    Jay
     
  3. Loser

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    The clamp around it has about a 1 cm gap all the way around, so it allows it to move quite a bit. I cleared the codes and drove for about 20 minutes. Only when I got on the highway and went 80mph did I see P0102 again. I got on it pretty aggressively as I left the neighborhood, but that didn't set the code.

    Before I left, I cleared the codes and pulled the idle regulator out. The result was P0102 instantly.

    I think tomorrow I am going to disassemble the air delivery tube and components and make sure everything looks good. I am also going to clear the codes and see if I can cause the code by wiggling the MAF wire connector.

    What values are typical for short term trim?
     
  4. jm3

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    #129 jm3, Aug 11, 2008
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    There is a rubber insulator that goes in between, like a grommet with a split in it.

    Squirt carb cleaner through there just for the heck of it.

    I have more experience with BMW, which is still Bosch and many of the same parts. I think 10% sets a code, and typical is around 2-3%, because if it is more than that the ltft is kicking in anyway.

    Jay
     
  5. f355spider

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    Tom,
    As Jay mentioned the idle control motor is held in place by a metal clamp, but the clamp should have a vinyl covering on the inside and should hold it pretty well, though not real tight. You can play around a bit with the bolt that holds that clamp to get a decent angle to force it into the rubber grommet that holds the idle control motor pretty well. If the vinyl covering is loose, torn or missing, I would replace it, I had to do that, and they are available from Ricambi. Good idea to start checking/inspecting the condition of all the components past the MAF up to the intakes. Let us know what you find, but certainly sounds like you are really close to getting this nailed down. Best of luck on the search.
     
  6. Loser

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    I ran through the data and it ranges from +6% to -10%. It just happened to be zero where I had the cursor.
     
  7. f355spider

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    Tom,
    Can you post a picture of the idle control valve? And the Bosch part number? A 1 cm gap does not sound right, and either the clamp or ICV could be an incorrect part.
     
  8. Loser

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    #133 Loser, Aug 11, 2008
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    OK. 1 cm was a bit of an exaggeration. It is more like 2-3mm. Pictures are attached. The Bosch part number is worn off. All I can make out is 0 280...

    It seems that there is enough flex to pull the idle sensor out of the hole sometimes. While I was examining the air intake system, I found that the large spring mount for the exhaust on the driver's side was not screwed into the receptacle. I also found that the rubber grommet under the air box is broken in two. I have repaired the exhaust mount and ordered a new rubber grommet and idle sensor clamp from Ricambi.
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  9. f355spider

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    #134 f355spider, Aug 11, 2008
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    Okay, the clamp is simply missing the black vinyl covering...it will still fit a little loosely, even with a new one. Just from the picture, it appears to be the correct ICV.

    Roger on the rubber isolation mounts/grommets...I had two broken ones I replaced recently. The heat from the exhaust is not kind to them...
     
  10. jm3

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    Oh well. I was hoping I found a clue for you.

    Jay
     
  11. Loser

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    Well, I cleaned everything and tightened it all up, went for a drive, and still get P0102. Catalyst Monitor and Secondary Air System Monitor tests are still pending. Guess we'll have to see if the new grommet and idle sensor clamp help. Otherwise, I will probably end up going to the shop if they will work on a car whose ECU has been chipped.
     
  12. Loser

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    I installed the new grommet and idle sensor clamp but still get P0102. I was distracted for a while because my alternator belt tensioner bearing gave out and made lots of pretty smoke. Anyway, that is fixed now and I am back to the P0102 issue. MaterMech is going to bring a scope down next week and we are going to look at the voltages on the cable while driving.
     
  13. Loser

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  14. ssnowball

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    Just a quick thank you to members of the board as the information contained here allowed me to properly diagnose and solve my issue.

    Drove car home a few weeks ago and encountered the lovely SDL flash, intermittent hold steady and flash again all the way home. Don't normally drive her in the rain, but that day happened to provide unanticipated rain. Picked up an Alterra blue tooth OBDII reader, shot the detail to the computer and picked up two codes, P1445 & P1451. Reviewed the boards and pulled the culprit ECU (bank 1) and noted deterioration (cracked along edges), not surprising as it was the original black unit. Went ahead and ordered all 3 as others showed similar conditions. Replacement was a bit tight on passenger side, but overall I rate this as an easy install.

    Attended the Inland Empire gathering this past weekend and problem appears to be solved, no further warnings or codes after clocking about 300 miles.

    Thank you gents.
     
  15. John_K_348

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    Excellent! I only wish my 348 was OBD2. I have a Bluetooth reader and app for my android phone. I've had a couple SDLs solid with bank cutout but not much since I corrected the battery cable connection. It was loose from dealer and totally unbelievable! I suspect the moisture issue since the last one was just as I was backing out from the shop that applied the clear bra after a wash and then the cold snowy lot.
     

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