I literally burst out laughing when I read your post. Not sure what it is...is Porsche smart for charging that much if it can get away with it or are the customers not so smart and okay parting ways with that much money for a 911?
Guess I'm not so smart, having just spec'd a Turbo S cab for spring '14 delivery. Love all my P-cars....fast (very), reliable, and more stealthy precisely because it looks like your everyday 991 to most. What's not to like, exactly????
Seems to me with the performance this car will offer it might be a bargain compared to other high end cars. After all a good deal is nothing but a state of mind!
Poor choice of words on my part, my apologies. When I read about the base 911s (and dozen or so other non-turbo 911 variants) creeping into the mid $100k range with options, I didn't believe it at first. I thought Porsche was crazy to have prices climb so high, but if people are willing to spend that much, I guess they're doing the right thing with their business model and pricing. First time I was surprised like that was with the GT2 RS being a quarter million $ car. My reference point has been the Carrera GT. A true supercar with CF tub, which can be had in the $300k range (I know...some may need more work like a new clutch and costs more than advertised). The rate new Porsches are costing, it's getting very close to having to compare it to one of those. We have a thread going on in the new Vette section about this very subject and bang for your buck. No doubt the Turbo S cab will be fast, but for $200k, there are a lot of options out there for something that is more supercar-like.
the pricing is a bit silly but then again, a 981 Boxster starts at $50k, a base 991 is $84k, and you can spec a BMW M5 over $130k! so I don't think it's just Porsche, or just the turbo models. and how much does Ferrari charge for cup holders on the F12?
Yeah, the M5 is getting out of hand as well. At least there are ways to easily buy any BMW at $500 over invoice and add European delivery, you save a bunch. That $130k M5 ends up being $110k with same options. Hope Porsche dealers sell below MSRP...never heard of peoples experiences with them to know how often that may happen.
I think the additional $33k on the sticker for the 30 extra horsepower that the Turbo S provides is a little excessive, however, at that price point it doesn't matter too much.
A bunch of other pricey options are included in that price,like CCBs,CL wheels,Sport Chrono,higher revs,etc..
No harm, no foul. As I learn more and more as I get older, there's a difference between value and price. Having owned CGT's (2, both from new - GT Silver, Black), I can say they are great cars....true super cars, but totally useless as daily drivers. The Turbo S Cab will be a daily driver that may well be my last new car purchase. I believe it will do everything well, be stupid fast, and not raise an eyebrow. Things, which to me add value albeit at a near silly price. That said, I suspect the price/value equation yields generally the same result for most, if not all supercars, regardless of the "value" variables of one's specific preferences.
Problem is that "a 911" covers everything from the base car, which will outperform 95 percent of anything street legal, to the GT2 RS, which will take the other 5 percent as well. And then carry your groceries home. I know Porsche lacks the badge factor of Aston, Ferrari, or Lamborghini, but if you can live with less bling their cars are astonishingly good these days (most recent drive was a 2013 Boxster S). If performance was absolutely the only thing that mattered, I'd be hard pressed to buy anything other than a Porsche. So yeah, $160K-$200K is a lot, but compared to what you get from the other highline marques for that kind of money it doesn't seem ridiculous to me.
Even Luca di Montezemolo in his lecture at Standford University said Porsche is a next best sports car after Ferrari.
Let's not forget that, although the numbers do have a pretty good sticker-shock value to them, these aren't hugely out of line with where Porsche's prices were 20 years ago. Sticker on my '91 944S2 Cabriolet was $70K -- which makes the Boxster seem a bargain by comparison. Turbo 964s and 928s of the same vintage were $100k (+!) cars, and base 911s went somewhere in the $60s or $70s IIRC.
So,Turbo S Cab is inching closer in price to California (still seriously cheaper) Which one do you prefer? I want a car for all seasons and California is not it. As a weekend,fair weather warrior it is not either,seriously underpowered vs anything else in that bracket,while the Porsche will blow away anything short of Veyron in normal,real life. Not many of us live with the reality of unrestricted autobahns where accelleration over 100mph matters(like MP4 or F12s). Everywhere else that Porsche is King.....
My cousin now has 600k miles on his 1984 carrera cab. It listed for around $50k 30 years ago which is in line with what the 991s cost today. His car has been bullet proof- driven very hard with no engine rebuild. Never let him stranded. And the car still looks and drives like it is new??? Porsches are built like tanks and have been extremely reliable. I believe porsche finished first in the lt JD powers quality survey, beating the likes of Lexus, Acura, Honda, etc. So you can always go buy a GTR instead of the Turbo, but the quality and feel of the two cars is no comparible.
