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  1. boxerman

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    A good neighbor gave me the keys to their 996 cabrio to use. car has only 19k miles on it and the owner is not driving it but wants to keep it, and have it driven/ operating.

    Seems to have bene serviced every year, oil is fresh tires 4 years ol, brake pedal feels firm but brakes arent blowing me away.

    Motor and transmission seem great, the motor imo is nice and more than adequate power, but a little unexciting. Actually the whole cabrio seems a little soft and bobly to me, i guess thats how they are, and very much of a slow in fast out deal.

    Seems a nice cool car for Florida, top goes down, the box is a delight to row, and motor responsive and clutch neigh on perfect. and not really many corners anywhere anyway,. .

    Any advice or things to look out for, besides ims bearing.
     
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    https://rennlist.com/how-tos/slideshows/most-common-996-porsche-problems-photos-494772

    This is a pretty good list. I drove a 2002 (?) 996 cabriolet and found it was a great cruiser, very precise shift, light clutch, but in character it felt uncomfortably close to the Mercedes SL of that era. I'm guessing the 996 Turbo coupe would be night-and-day different.

    The brakes should actually be great, so it's worth inspecting everything from the rotors and pads to the brake lines. I've never driven a 911 with bad brakes, but after 20 years and especially with only 19K miles in those two decades things deteriorate.

    My biggest gripes with the car were a cheap interior and the overall blobby appearance. I ended up buying a 993 cabriolet instead.
     
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    I like the mercedes sl compro, it felt not as soft as one of those, but of that ilk, not really fully buttoned down, a bit of a bobblehead. . The seats imo offer near zero lateral support, but are comfy enough. The big difference to an sl is the stick and motor which are usurpingly fun to play with, esp as Florida is otherwise pretty straight with near zero elevation. Its a contrast witht he gulia which is pretty sharp at the wheel and buttoned down in a louts type way having not too stiff springs but really great shocks. however the gulia motor sounds and feels like a 4cyl turbo diesel, the power is there but other than output not realty a joy to behold.

    Going off topic slightly but it contrasts the difference between a great stick/motor(996) and paddles with turbo(most moderns). On the twisty backroads of Ct i really enjoy the gulia because it is both complaint and buttoned down with a really sharp front end, the paddles make is really easy to keep it on the boil. In Fl which is straight mostly and flat the Gulia is basically a powerful enough at car but its other virtues dont have the opportunity to fully shine. In that context the 996 being a stick with great motor adds a dimension of engagement which is really compelling. In general i believe for on road, unless you're dealing mostly with traffic stop and go etc a stick is simply more engaging and fun. On track a stick is a hindrance and does not add to the process.

    Yeah the 996 interior is cheapo, and the fried egg shape in general leaves something to be desired. As you said tis a great cruiser which i guess for many is the market.

    Brakes, pedal felt firm enough so I suspect they either need a much harder push, or more than likely its still got the original pads and they're brittle or have a surface layer of crucd, they seem about half through. Maybe I just got to get some real heat in them and scrub off some crud.

    Coming form the lotus workd where its all about steering, great suspension handling and picot, with a motor that can be crude and as good as it gets cable shifting, the 996 is like t opposite. there is a lot to be said for a great shift and motor. I can see how 997 gt3 or one of the newer manual Gt3s is so compelling for road and bit of track, not to mention a Cayman Gts and boxter equivalent.

    Have driven a regular 992 manual and the turbo motor 7 speed stick imo was missing a lot of what i found compelling in the lowly 996, sharpness of throttle, great motor sound and a stick that's simply a joy to shift. Turbo 4cyl boxter i thought sucked, it was soft as the p road cars tend to be, paddles and turbo 4. Apparently this is all progress.
     
  4. zygomatic

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    Beyond the IMS bearing, most of the things you'll see on a 996 are pretty common "car stuff". If it has been sitting a great deal, I'd look for leaks, especially around the RMS and maybe the oil cooler seals. I'd also check on the water pump and the coolant expansion tank . And the accessory drive belt: good chance it's not the happiest for not being run.

    Beyond that, tires are always a worry about older not-driven cars ("but they look good") and brake fluid ("you mean you have to change it?"). As are the other fluids: coolant, transmission oil. And your fuel system may benefit from some TLC - worth looking at the filter. Along with the engine air and cabin filters.

    And take a minute to check the hoses: likely they're fine, but it's worth a look.

    The good news: none of that is difficult. And most of the stuff above is inexpensive.

    The other tranche of things are mostly electronic: they hopefully won't die, but you never know with old cars. That's position sensors on the crank, MAF, and plugs/coils. They may or may not cause problems. Typically I'd wait for an issue. But know that they can crop up. Cars don't like sitting.
     
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    What year is it? Carrera 4 or 2wd? Big difference between 996.1 and 996.2 in likelihood of bore scoring (the 996.2 being more likely). The early production 996.1's (very roughly through mid-2000's) had the more robust dual-row IMS. Later 996.1 3.4 engines, and all 996.2 3.6 engines, had a single row IMS. The full leather option and 3-spoke steering wheel makes a big difference in the quality and feel of the interior.
     
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    Its a 2001 2wd. I just rolled the odo past18k miles on a short drive.
    Tires are from mid 2017 oil was clean brake good. i think its been yearly serviced, but Ill ask.
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    Not seeing any leaks. Looks to have gone to the dealer each year for "service", not sure what was and was not done. ill look into it. Caretaker said a few years back they spent a lot on it. Tires are pirelli pzeors from mid 2017, so they seem not to have skimped along the way. No idea about the drive belt. Ill ask the owner when next i see her.

    The expansion tank wasnt split, but it was old and yellowed.

    Motor seems smooth runs fine.
     
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    As a later 996.1, it likely has the single-row IMS (need to check engine serial number to be sure), so I think most would say the IMS should be replaced proactively based on age (if it hasn't been already) despite the low miles. There is a fix called "the solution" that is more robust than just replacing the IMS bearing -- that might be worth the additional investment for peace of mind.

    I really don't know the numbers, but bore-scoring seems to be a pretty frequent issue over time (maybe as big or bigger than IMS) on the 996.2's (2002 and later) with the 3.6 -- but it is much less an issue for the earlier 3.4 in the 996.1, so hopefully that is not a concern. Severe engine overheating events can be a factor that causes bore-scoring (as a result of cylinders getting out of round), so it's important to address any cooling problems.

    The radiators will probably need to be cleaned -- they all gather a ton of leaves in the radiators and A/C condensers. Hard to say how dirty it will be with only 18k miles, but most of them are quite dirty. Requires removing the front bumper skin to clean, but not that hard to do.

    Driving-wise, the 996.1 doesn't really come on full Variocam till around 6k RPM -- that peakiness in power output makes it feel like the very early 911's. The improved Variocam on the 996.2's 3.6 has more low-end torque (a little less of the nostalgic throwback to the early 911's, but a broader and more usable power range).
     
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    Regarding the IMS check the door jamb or under the hood to see if there is a sticker from having the IMS fixed. Mine has an LN sticker and serial number under the hood but I have heard the drivers door jamb is the other likely place if it has been done.

    An aftermarket exhaust and coilovers will make a big difference if you want to go that route.
     
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    I looked at the radiators, they look brand new. Like replaced new.

    Temps seem fine and stable a little over 180 on the guage.

    i asked the lady who owns the car what work had been done. She said she didn't know but she had told her caretaker a few years back to take the car to a specialist and do what needs doing. Ill give him a call and ask.


    Fresh gas and motor pulls way better. Yes it gas that coming on cam feeling which is nice. maybe the gearing is just so well selected but it feels stronger than 300 horses, and nothing like a naturally aspirated engine, so consistent and fun to rev out...

    I also did a major clean of all the parts the regular cleaners miss. All the little nooks and crevices in the interior, door jambs, indicator stalks shift lever shift boot etc. Looks way better now.

    ill take it for a big run this weekend.
     
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    Exhaust sounds pretty nice, dont know if its stock or not. Coilovers sounds like maybe a vast improvement, as is there is this layer of cotton wool mush, but even new porches seem to have that. Not my car so not worth me spending like that on it. When/if she wants to sell I'll see.
    As it is a very cool fun cruiser, and I really like the size of the car. Big enough you dont feel vulnerable in traffic, but stil really a smallish wieldy car.

    i noticed some really cool bits too. The sightlines are really superb, you can see the edges well, the mirrors all show you enough(unile moderns which rely on warning lights as theyre too small)

    As i was cleaning it I noticed on the front how the freid egg inner part is shaped to channel air along the inside of the fender line. Little details that show how someone really thought about what they were doing.


    i can see why a 997 Gt3 would be such a great choice of a car.
     
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    It sounds like you’ve got a good one there. Next steps are to drive it and enjoy! (And fix anything that does happen to go wrong)
     

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