I read that originally, but that still doesn't determine the final hammer price, it's just what they think based upon the current market value. This f50 could very well exceed this estimate or come up short. Auctions are funny.
Sorry if my question stupid for real Ferrari enthusiasts here, but I really wish to know HOW MANY F50s exists with s/n 99999?? 1 or 5 or 6 or ...? And who needs this confusion and even I could say "fraud"???
Confusion? These cars are ITALIAN. There are several F50s with this serial number, but I don't know the exact number. Does it matter? Well...given that there are only 350-370 F50's in the world, and given that only five of them have this chassis number... I would say no, it doesn't matter. They're rare to begin with, and 99999's are the rarest of the rare. So to speak. If you're spending that much time worrying about the serial number, you probably haven't spent much driving the damn car.
If I buy an F50 I need the real car not "fake". If I want the F50, s/n 99999, I must know that is one and only 99999. It's my opinion. I understand all reasons for s/n 99999 buying (last five numbered Ferrari, rarest of the rare, etc...). But I really don't understand why exist more than one s/n 99999! were these "additional" cars produced by Ferrari or renumbered from other preproduction examples?
I think the number was used for the prototype build and in that way multiple cars could be built without adding to the 'official' total of numbered cars built for the series. Plus the number could be 'reserved' for one production car as well to honour a customer serial number request. CH
No one ever answers this question because there are no other 99999 cars. There is only one. The article that brought the issue up in the first place was wrong and has been proven so. I challenge anyone to prove, with physical evidence, that another exists.
Richard: to be objective, please furnish us with the proof that the article is wrong, since you are making the claim that it is. Most people reading this are willing to be open-minded, including myself, and if there is only one, then there is only one. I am sure most don't care one way or another, it is what it is. But the only way you are going to convince most interested parties that there is only one 99999 F50 is to proffer irrefutable proof, such as you say exists.
Ferrari's with the same serial # definitely exist. 10523 is one example. One question here. Is the entire vin # the same? Is this a US legal car? Is it currently registered with this Vin#? (9999)
Jim: You are right, and even if the VIN is the same, as Marcel Massini points out in this thread there will be some other characteristics such as door-lock serial numbers etc which will seperate one car from another. The VIN is just one aspect of its ID. I could be wrong but I believe the car offered was not originally a USA-spec production car. Whether it has been brought into USA compliance is unknown to me. Ditto its registration status..
It's gone??? The car I mean...was that the English customer or? Hope lots of pictures were taken for the GTO book... CH
My physical evidence is that I can produce the one Ferrari F-50 with a VIN ending in 99999. If there is another, please produce it for inspection. It is in the best interest of all collectors of these cars to know if there is in fact more than one. To date there has only been speculation which continues to be perpetuated here. The author of that article was given official proof that the car(s) he mentions as being multiple, is in fact the same car having been seen at different locations. He was also asked to print a retraction. The author only quotes his sources as "spotters" and "a few emails to our historians group". Please go back and read the paragraph of the article regarding the 99999 F-50's. It is very loosely written even contradictory. This is unfortunate because that article is the only reason there has ever been a discussion of multiple 99999 F-50's. Ferrari may indeed have produced more than one car in their history ending with the same five digits but no one has produced factual evidence of a second F-50 ending with 99999. This car ends with that number because of a relationship between Jacques Swaters and Enzo himself so even if another should turn up, this car is unique. The speculation only hurts the one car that does have that serial number and Ferrari enthusiasts more than anyone should want the truth so the resistance here is interesting. It doesn't make sense. And Joe, you are a car dealer who should know more than most that this type of speculation over time can only hurt a car. It is not about being right or wrong but it is about being factual. I am open to more than one existing but to date there is no factual evidence. So far all trails to find one have lead nowhere.
True. As Ive already stated, I remain open-minded about this. BTW, your cause is not helped by the auction description on Anamera which states "the very first F50 built and the last Ferrari to have a five-digit chassis number, s/n 99999". Clearly this suggests that there are multiple 99999 Ferraris, of which this is the last one. You will want to get them to correct this..
