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A bigger picture..... wierd stuff.

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  1. Tspringer

    Tspringer F1 Veteran

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    The ghost threads are pretty interesting. Got me to thinking about all the different ways this world is not just as it appears visually. I believe there is indeed a spiritual reality, another dimension that is not consistent with simple physical realities.

    The subject reminds me of a very interesting article I read about 10 years ago. It was published as a reprint and had originally been in some scientific journal that publishes trials results and experiments and such.

    A group of anthropologists had been conducting a study on animal learning patterns in order to better understand how species develop and how early man may have learned about and developed tools. They were studying a particular species of monkey on a couple of remote southern pacific islands.

    They captured several of the monkeys. The island was populated with a type of small tree that produced a very hard shelled nut. The monkey population did not eat these nuts or use them for any purpose, they subsistent on other abundant fruits and foods. The researchers taught one of the monkeys, who was isolated from the others captured animals, to use a rock as a tool and break open the hard nuts in order to eat the nut inside. The monkey learned this, liked to eat the nuts and all went as the researchers expected.

    They then put this monkey in with the others. Pretty quickly, other monkeys learned from the original and began to use rocks as tools to break open the nuts. So the researchers released the monkeys back to their original wild groups. Sure enough, pretty soon the groups of monkeys across the island were all using rocks and eating nuts.

    Then it got wierd. Another island that was 5 miles away also had a population of the same species of monkey. The researchers were informed that monkeys on that island were now using rocks and eating the nuts as well. These monkeys did not swim in the ocean. No monkey had been taken to the other island. The researchers didnt have an answer to how this could have happened.

    Then they found out that the same monkeys on an island 200 miles away were using rocks to open and eat the nuts. There was no way any of the original monkeys had gotten to that island. So how would those monkeys have learned at that time to use rocks and open nuts when they had never done so before?

    The researchers had no scientific answer other than an opinion that there is far more going on around us than what we currently see and understand.


    Terry
     
  2. wax

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    Not to be a naysayer on the subject, but this particular example leaves little choice but to refute findings.

    Did they consider the extremely high likelihood that monkeys on other islands were already doing this?

    It is a known fact that primates and other critters such as bears put twigs, rocks and so forth to good use. Honey in a bees nest? Twig to the rescue.
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    Now, those critters/pets that sought higher ground prior to the tsunamai are on to something...
     
  3. Tspringer

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    My understanding was they had specifically chosen this species of monkey and this species of nuts because the monkeys were not known to eat them anywhere they co-existed. This specifically because they needed such a situation to validate results they got. They were looking to document how a single taught monkey reintroduced to the local population would have his new skill picked up by the rest of the population. How quickly, and how many. Would it become a permenent change? That sort of stuff. If other monkeys on other islands were already doing it, the results would be subject to questions because there would be no guarantee some of those monkeys had not come to the island.

    Of course there is no guarantee that some of the new taught monkeys were not secretly transported to the far away island, but the researchers had no knowledge of any means of this happening.


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    Clearly, dem apes were going to www.spankyourmonkey.net
     

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