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  1. Sergio Tavares

    Sergio Tavares Formula 3

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    Get the pressure reading at alternate high pressure port, compare it to first hp port and know if the plug is at condensor. Pray to Mary is clear.
     
  2. ItalGerBrit

    ItalGerBrit Formula Junior

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    About not seeing the oil in the sight glass, it has the dye in it and I always was able to see streaks or obvious flow in the sight glass at the gauge manifold when charging the refrigerant and the same in the sight glass at the filter/dryer with other cars. This is the first time that this 360 A/C has ever given me a problem and when it went, it went all at once. When running the pressures are flat dead. No fluctuation at all so gas is not moving in the system.

    About checking an alternate high pressure port. There is a port on the new filter/drier so I will hook up the gauge to that.

    The price of compressors is in the range that you found Sergio. Lower to have the compressor rebuilt and I will consult the shop that Brian Crall suggested as it is "relatively" close to me.

    Next step, pull expansion valve.

    Like you Jaymac, I have always frequently checked the coolant tank and gearbox oil and have never ever seen a hint of HE failure but tiny oil droplets are now in the overflow tank. I will again check the gearbox oil. I probably could have had the new HE installed in the time I have spent with this A/C problem.
     
  3. Jaymac

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    I definitely use the gear oil as a barometer for heat exchanger health. But could the oil droplets the OP is seeing in his coolant tank be indicative of anything else other than the heat exchanger?
     
  4. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    Probably not.
     
  5. mike32

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    If you get no diff in temp across the compressor then not pumpng, if the drier was the restriction you would get a noticeable temp drop over the drier inlet and outlet pipes, ie the outlet would be chilled as the liquis expanded over a dirty drier if that makes sense.
     
  6. mike32

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    If the compressor has isolation valve on the suction side, you should be able to shut this and the compressor will reduce the pressure down to the trip pressure. Depends where the charging pressure connection is, is the pressure gauge shut off by the suct valve being closed.
     
  7. ItalGerBrit

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    The old drier had no debris in it and a new filter/drier is installed now so not drier. Have not yet pulled the expansion valve but my gut tells me the compressor is not pumping.
     
  8. Jaymac

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    Easy and cheap enough to swap in a new/rebuilt compressor and find out for sure!
     
  9. mike32

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    If the compressor is pumping it should pull the gas pressure down to zero if you bridge the trip, careful not to go less than zero or you might draw air in.
     
  10. ItalGerBrit

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    "Bridge the trip"? Not sure what that means.
     
  11. mike32

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    It has a low pressure cutout ( trip switch). If you have a gas leak it will disconnect the compressor clutch, usually set 30 lbs or so, if you need to test the compressor you need to pump suction down to just above zero but you need to bypass the low pressure cutout
     
  12. ItalGerBrit

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    The 360 compressors are a different type and never cut off. it is a variable clutchless compressor. Seems like I read that somewhere and it does not cycle on and off. Someone will correct me if I am wrong I am sure.
     
  13. mike32

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    Any compressor will cut out, it will be on temp if it reaches the set temp. It will have low and high pressure cut out switches , in case of loss of gas or the condenser cannot condense the gas due to high outside air temp or dirty condenser
    The pulley will run all the time driven by the engine, the clutch will be energise by the thermostat calling for cooling so it engages and pumps the gas around the system to cool the car
     
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  14. ItalGerBrit

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    The clutch is always engaged. It only stops when the "Stop" button is engaged. And, there is no circulation at all in the system. Pressures are dead steady and never vary whether the clutch is engaged or not. It is either something very simple or very complicated. Apparently, no one has experienced a goofy set of symptoms like this before before.
     
  15. ItalGerBrit

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    Correction. I should have said "Variable Displacement" Compressor. I could be dead wrong about this but either way, the compressor is not moving refrigerant.
     
  16. mike32

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    It could be a squash plate type with variable stroke and delivery
     
  17. ItalGerBrit

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    If so, it is not "squashing". A am close to pulling it out and shooting it. Maybe I will first bang it with a big hammer. That works on stuck starters.
     
  18. ItalGerBrit

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    An update on my A/C problem. I was wrong about no debris in the evaporator/filter. No debris in the mesh filter but the outlet side had a coating of very fine rust dust in it. Next down the line is the expansion valve so I pulled the expansion valve with the help of an old post by Jetson and PM with him. Thanks Jetson! The exp valve was gunked up with a goo of oil and brown/black stuff which must be the rust dust from the 20+year-old filter/dryer. Using an endoscope, I discovered that some/a lot of the same gunk was in the inlet pipe of the evaporator but not much in the outlet. The expansion valve was apparently totally plugged and blocking all flow in the system which explains the low high pressure and high low pressure at the gauges.

    The lines must be flushed and either the evaporator is flushed or replaced because that stuff will surely destroy the compressor if it gets to it. The compressor seems OK now and runs with no noise and the clutch engages properly. Is it feasible or advisable to flush the evaporator or would it be wise to just get a new evaporator since I already have the dash off? And, can a compressor be opened up and checked for damage and rebuilt if necessary? If the compressor fails, then fresh debris will end up in the condenser and it seems that some advise just installing a new condenser but they are talking about common cheap condensers. 360 condensers are not cheap. So, the question is, can our 360 evaporators and condensers be flushed effectively?

    I started out not fully understanding how A/C systems work but I do now. Wish I still knew nothing and that my 360 and H1 A/Cs were still blowing cold needing no repairs.
     

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  19. ItalGerBrit

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    Wish I had done that before getting where I am now but I was still in the fog about how the A/C system works. Things are not as foggy now. I may have to use that after the obvious things are fixed.
     
  20. Rifledriver

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    Yes, the compressor can be fixed, and not expensively. An evaporator unit is expensive. I would flush it extensively.
     
  21. ItalGerBrit

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    So lots of flushing will be done for sure.
     
  22. ItalGerBrit

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    For those of you rare DIY guys that might do your own A/C repairs, flushing the lines from the filter/dryer to the compressor, as well as the evaporator, resulted in an orange, but relatively clear, flushing fluid and a couple of ounces of PAG oil from the evaporator, but essentially nothing else. The very fine reddish rust in the dryer/evaporator combined with the yellow dye must have been the reason for the orange color. The expansion valve was apparently totally blocked and the gook luckily did not go much further.

    New orings were put in on all the lines, except for those at the condenser, and a vac was pulled and held so all seems to be good. A new dryer/filter and expansion valve, many, many scrunched up hours, several more to put the dash back in and recharge it and it should be done. The dash did not have to be removed by the way. It might have helped a bit when fitting hoses on the evaporator pipes for flushing the evaporator. Everything to do with the expansion valve had to be done with the endoscope, mirror, pen light, and then feeling the pipes working blind when slipping in the valve and the pipes and retaining bolts.

    Thanks to all of you who offered help and advice.
     
  23. ItalGerBrit

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    My "new" A/C compressor is dead. China knock off.

    Have things changed in the last year as far as A/C compressors are concerned. Can reliable compressors be bought now without the risk of ending up with Chinese junk? Which vendor would those of you that have had to deal with this in the last year or two? I sent my old compressor to a rebuilder recommended by Rifledriver and was told that it was not rebuildable.
     
  24. Jaymac

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    I used Compressor International. To be honest, I can’t recall if I bought a reman from them, or sent mine in. I think they may have offered the choice to send yours in to be rebuilt, or order a reman and send your core in once you receive the reman. Either way, mines been running strong for the last few years now, at what I recall to be a reasonable price.
     
  25. David993s

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    Last year I bought a rebuilt (factory 360) A/C compressor from Ferrari Tampa for $750 without an exchange.
     

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