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A/C question for the mechanics here...Please help

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  1. up4speed

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    I have a 2000 Xterra that has a small leak from the A/C system. I have added coolant once or twice, so this time I added coolant with dye. I found the leak to be coming from the high pressure flexible hose. It actually shows the dye all along the rubber section, so I assume that the rubber just failed due to age. I would like to do the repair myself to save some money. First I would like to say that I like to do things properly, so I have all the tools and a vacuum pump to vac the system before filling it.
    My plan is to replace the hose, and the dryer (since it's all apart). I'm not sure if the repair parts come with all of the necessary o rings. My 2 questions are:
    1- Can I easily get the required o-rings from an auto parts store, if the new parts don't have them.
    2- Once the system is open and emptied out, will I have to add oil to the sytem. If so, how much do I add? There is a label on the car for the proper amount of oil, but I'm not going to be starting with a completely new system, so how does one handle this situation?

    Thanks in advance! I would really like to do this myself if I can.
     
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    #2 up4speed, Apr 12, 2013
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    I forgot to ask. Should I just buy r-134 with oil in it already, and assume that it should be at the proper level once refilled?

    I have a funny feeling, everyone is going to say "take it to a shop". I was trying to avoid that, but I realize that it may be good advice when dealing with A/C systems.
     
  3. JeremyJon

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    for a car that age, your local auto parts store will have replacements most likely, and certainly cheaper than buying same from the dealer
    if you have or are taking apart, be sure to cover the open ends, and prevent moisture/humidity & dust in the system until closed up again
    ask when you purchase the replacement lines, for them to look up the amount & spec of replacement charge
    another option, once replaced lines yourself (be 'extremely' careful of O-rings during & do not reuse old O-rings anywhere), is to have recharged by a local shop, they will have a machine which will purge & refill the system
    good luck!
     
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    It's pretty reasonable to expect the new parts to come with o-rings.
    You'll know for sure when you pick it up at the parts store! You can probably look at pictures of the part you'd be ordering online if you're going that way. I like RockAuto.com for my online window shopping needs.

    The old rule of thumb (growing up in Texas, we get a lot of those about repairing air conditioning) is that if the refrigerant didn't blow out catastrophically, you don't need to add any oil. So you'll only expect to lose the oil in the dryer. Maybe a couple of ounces, rule of thumb.
     
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    Sounds good, thanks guys. That's what I figured. Another option I was thinking about... What if I were to go to a shop to have the remaining refrigerant emptied out, then I bring the car home and do the repairs, the. Bring it back to evacuate the system and refill the refrigerant to the proper level? Would a shop do that, or is it all or none for this type of repair?
    Otherwise, I have to wait for the rest to just leak out slowly so I don't "intentionally" vent to the environment.
    One more question, is it normal for the rubber hoses to have refrigerant permeate through the hose, the full length of the rubber section? It looks like the dye is evenly spread on the hose, and nowhere else. It's the only obvious leak that I can find.
    Thanks again!
     
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    no need to take to shop for refill until after you've replaced hose(s), it's going to evacuate (what ever is left by now) once you open it
    if you haven't disconnected hose(s) yet, wait and have replacements in hand, then do all at once, to limit contamination to system
    don't run the system in between time, nor until you've had shop do refill
     
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    Can I just use a kitchen scale, and weigh the small r134a containers? I can just use the high and low gauges, but I would like to get the charge exact, if I could.
     
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    i'm not sure, they use to sell the whole kits for recharging yourself, but those have been pulled from many store shelves now ...it might be worth saving the headache to have a shop do, many will have spring sales for lesser $
     
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    Doing the work yourself isn't an issue. The only part that's difficult is reclaiming and then charging if you don't have the equipment. I wouldn't recommend recharging it with the little cans from the store, it's hard to judge how much and over filling the system can create as many issues as under filling. More so on newer cars but most shops shouldn't have an issue pulling a vacuum and then charging for you.
    As for the hose leaking, it's common. And the hose and drier shouldn't be hard to change, just make sure to lube the orings really well. And you shouldn't need to add much oil, just a few ounces at most.
     
  10. It's not as exact as you might think. Autozone has the cheap gauge that comes with the freon. Without the gauge this is what your looking for: the line set to start sweating (or condensation if you prefer. If the line is freezing or icing the freon is still low). Some receiver dryers have a glass bubble, you can watch that to see if there is the correct amount. The ac clutch on the compressor will not start to engage until you barely have enough freon. Watch that as well. The engine will be running and the ac on to take the charge.
     
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    My drier doesn't have a window on it. I have the tools to vacuum the system, as well as a manifold gauge set, so I should be able to get it close enough. I was asking about weighing the cans so I can get it more exact if possible.
     
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    If you're going to do it by pressure, then you should be able to find the pressure that corresponds with your ambient temp on the net. Just charge it to that point.
    Try it for sure, you can always have it done later at a shop if needed. Just don't put any AC stop leak in it...
     
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    Thanks again for all the info. That was my plan. I don't think it will be a problem. I already have the charts for the proper fill. I'm sure it will be fine. Especially if I'm on the cautious side when I fill it. It should be fun, I enjoy working on my cars.
     

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