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A/C temp control switch failure/breakage...

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  1. Peter

    Peter F1 Veteran
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    Dec 21, 2000
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    B.C., Canada
    While removing the centre console of my 1975 308 GT4, the capillary tube for the A/C temperature control switch broke off the switch, right at the point where it attaches to it. It appears that it was probably fractured quite some time ago, because it fell off with the slightest of my touch of it.

    I have three questions:

    1) Since this capillary tube looks to be sealed, does it contain anything hazardous like mercury that I should be worried about? I looked closely and did not see any metallic fluid in this tube, or any remnants on the floor under this console.

    2) I know well enough that this is NOT a Ferrari specific part, and considering the compressor is a York type and that many threads have been posted here of people finding A/C parts at NAPA, is this switch likely from a U.S. manufacturer too and thus, could it be sourced through NAPA, or other parts suppliers? The markings on the sides of the switch read:

    "Ranco Slenderstat 6(6)A 250V ~"

    and:

    "A50-L2357 30-75-1L K"

    3) To what device does this capillary tube attach to on the other end, the expansion valve or the pressure switch?"

    I should add that I have bench-tested the compressor before and I know the clutch engages, but while the car was running, when I turned the A/C switch on, it wouldn't engage. Does the fact that (before it broke off today) the tube being fractured would cause the A/C system not to work? I checked for continuity across the switch's contacts and nothing registers on my voltmeter when I rotate the knob.
     
  2. Steve King

    Steve King F1 Rookie

    Feb 15, 2001
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    I don't have all of the answers but the cap tube is stuck in the AC evaporator under the dash. This tube is gas filled and used to sense heat. I believe there are 2 cap tubes in the 308. 1 is on the expansion valve which regulates freon to the evaporator and the other is in the switch on the console which measures heat in the car at the evaporator. I would first check the pressure in the system to make sure you don't have a freon leak or you are low on freon. If you are low the compressor will not turn on. There is a switch attached to the reciever/dryer that detects low presure. If you short out this switch it will/should engage the compressor clutch. Now back to the console switch. The gas is out of the tube so it is gone. Oh the main function of this switch is to turn on the evap fan and make sure that the evap will not freeze up. This nevers happens in a 308 (hahahaha). So being this is a ferrari unique switch I would just jumper out the cap tube sense circuit and run the system as is. I doubt that the evap will ever freeze so this would not be a problem. Good luck and you may want to pick up a book on auto AC at your local autozone or some NAPA store. Good luck
     
  3. 330gt

    330gt Formula 3

    Nov 12, 2004
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    Kerry Chesbro
    Same problem on my 308 GTS, broken when fiddling with the console. Jumpering the switch is just like having the temp control turned to high, which is where everybody has it on a 308 anyway.

    Theses aren't very expensive, new from Rutland's at $75 a couple of years ago. However, I haven't replaced mine since the far end is somewhere in the dash by the evaporator and I haven't had the inclination to figure out how much of an effort it will take.
     
  4. Peter

    Peter F1 Veteran
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    Dec 21, 2000
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    Thanks guys.

    When I came home from work today, I dug a little deeper in the front compartment and found out where this tube ended... It was tucked under a clip which was attached to one of the tubes of the evaporator. There was another capillary tube beside this one, copper coloured and tightly coiled - sensory tube for the expansion valve from what I can tell. The whole lot was covered in a sticky, black insulating tape.

    This evening I did some investigating online through various Ferrari parts supplier catalogues and the switch itself seems to be NLA (big surprise) and what is being offered is a kit of a switch (same one?), dryer and filter (P/N: 95320033. Dennis McCann listed it being for the 328) for not less than $760... Ouch...

    In regards to the clutch not engaging, there is no refrigerant in the system yet, so I guess that explains that. ;)

    So you both suggest jumping this console switch. I suppose that means directly connecting the two wires together. Wouldn't that make the A/C run all the time? Or should I open this switch up and disconnect the capillary-tube portion from it? I know it's broken, but I would not like to hack up this switch. I'd only consider that as a last option.

    After I made this initial posting, I did some Googling of "Ranco" and it appears they're still in business, but their switches seem more for HVAC systems of homes/buildings.

    The search continues...
     
  5. 330gt

    330gt Formula 3

    Nov 12, 2004
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    Kerry Chesbro
    No, the A/C will only run if the A/C fan switch is in one of the 3 ON positions. If it is off, then the A/C will be off. Having the A/C temp switch jumpered (both wires connected) is the same as having that control on MAX (fully clockwise) all of the time.
     
  6. Steve King

    Steve King F1 Rookie

    Feb 15, 2001
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    +1
     
  7. Peter

    Peter F1 Veteran
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    Dec 21, 2000
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    Thanks...
     

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