A different question re: Vettel/Hamilton in Canada *spoilers*

Assume that VET had not received the 5 second penalty.....

Do you think HAM could have passed him for the win, or would VET have been able to fend him off to the finish?

 

Vettel would have won. The cars were evenly matched, and they are too big to make a pass in many of the traditional passing points on the track. Elton didn’t have the extra, and if he was able to do so, he had a better chance when Vettel was distracted after the penalty than if there hadn’t been one

 

I think Hamilton was giving it all he had. Therefore, no he would not have been able to pass.

 

No, the cars were to close... unfortunately this is not enough for an overtaking nowadays. The Mercedes seemed faster but was not able to get close enough to try a promising pass. The aerodynamics of these cars really prevents proper racing, and if there is one the stewards jump in to destroy it...[emoji853]

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Let’s also not forget that Hamilton seemed to have rear grip issues and was locking up quite a bit every time he closed the gap to Vettel under 1 second.

So, I concur that it would have been very difficult for Lewis to have passed Vettel for the lead. It would have been a great battle though. Too bad we were denied that chance...


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Vettel had the speed and was ahead. I don't think Hamilton would have been able to pass him.
I'm 95% certain Vettel and Ferrari could have scored their first 2019 win.
That really put Vettel's mistake and the penalty he received into perspective.
It was a major blow for Vettel and Ferrari's morale to fail at Montréal, IMO.

Ferrari has to find out the reason why Vettel came off the track.

 

Pretty much in agreement with the consensus here at time of post.

Vettel for the win.

 

Yes Hamilton would have passed him. Why? I think Hamilton wants a clean sweep for the year for Mercedes.

In fact I said that on race day. The stewards destroyed the race after the point of the 5 second penalty. All Hamilton had to do is stay within 5 seconds to win and that's all he did.

If Hamilton had to pass to win, he would have tried harder and I think could have passed Vettel. Or, maybe it would have resulted in a crash or maybe Hamilton would have made a mistake.

But the race was OVER and the fans were just watching an exhibition at that point knowing Hamilton had just won.

 

Maybe Lewis would manage a pass under DRS or hmm you never can tell ,perhaps Vettel would have another 'moment' allowing Lewis through? Vettel also had fuel problems evidently.

Lewis just had to maintain the -5 sec gap which he did ,no way he was going to risk tangling with an 'angry' unpredictable Vettel.I think he had a bit more pace if he needed it.

So i do not think it would have been a slam dunk win for Vettel.

 

Would Vettel have kept his nerves Under pressure from Hamilton during the last laps, that's the question.
History shows that he is prone to silly mistakes Under these conditions, as proven again.
As far as we know, his trip on the grass was a driver's error, because he didn't claim anything else.
Surely at some point, Vettel is going to win this year, and I really thought he had it in the bag last Sunday.

 

Maybe , purely hypothetical discussion , we can beat this horse till it is dead too

 

Well, we know that answer... he DID keep his nerve, Elton couldn’t get past him on Sunday, so the answer is easy, of course Vettel would have won, because he DID win

 

Was HAM really giving it his all? He knew he had a 5 second gap to squander. So, just stay behind Seb and play it safe, win by default. If there was no penalty, I think HAM would have pressured Seb into another mistake. Wasn't the off track episode around lap 48? 22 more laps with someone like HAM, Chuck or Max on your gearbox would be rather unsettling.

 

I’m not convinced mate, Elton is no shrinking violet, he doesnt hold back usually if he smells blood, there’s no reason to imagine he was in the final stages there. He was still locking wheels and staying inside the DRS whenever he could, why would be stay so close, two seconds back he still comfortably wins by default, and there’s no overheating of brakes, tyres or engine, no stress to the front tyres, no squirming around in the wash. No, Elton was trying alright, but the cars were evenly matched, and where Seb had an advantage, Elton had one in another place to stay put. Seb couldn’t shake him, Elton couldn’t take him. In my opinion, Seb wasn’t forced into an error when he went off, he went off due to a tyre, brake, track surface or other issue, just because. Elton was not close enough to be causing an error like that. He would have had to be on sebs gearbox hustling him to cause that. Brundle in commentary made a suggestion of the turbulent air being to blame (I seem to remember two backmarkers had just gone through the corner as Seb entered it) so I’d be more inclined to think that was something to do with it than Elton. You have to give it to his usual psyche, what I spend my life complaining about, give the guy a target to pass, at least he does try to get it done, and so if it were possible, he would have at least dived up the inside at some point, but he didn’t.

 

There's no way HAM would have attempted a pass once he knew he had five seconds in hand for the win. Thus the premise of my question. Did he have enough car/tires to pass VET if there had been no penalty, or would VET have been able to keep him at bay?

 

Understood. And, again, the answer is no. He had been trying . . . to no avail. Vettel still had the straight line advantage and enough brakes to stay ahead.

 

Honestly? No

Hamilton was pushing very hard himself, having outbraked himself several times getting closer. And couldn't.

Vettel had the straight line advantage to safe him.

 

No way José!