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A discussion about the Testarossa.

Discussion in 'Boxers/TR/M' started by Tifoso1, Jan 17, 2007.

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  1. Tifoso1

    Tifoso1 F1 Rookie

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    The reason I created a separate thread is so that we can talk about the many designs cues of the Testarossa without getting a few other forum members upset. Many people talk about the Testarossa, but not as many had taken the time out to find out more about it, which is unfortunate as there are many books and articles out about the Testarossa which features inserts directly from Pininfarina and Ferrari. The reality is that there is a lot more to the Testarossa's design by Pinnifarina than meets the eyes.

    1) In order to cool the car down effectively, the radiator had to be moved to the side which was race car like -A first for Ferrari roadcar. This setup allows better cooling regardless if the car is moving vs. sitting in traffic. There are "spoilers" within the ducts that directs air into the radiators and into the engine bay. The so call Cheese graters were also there for a reason. They were there to creat turbulance so the air will flow into the ducts instead of just over them. They also work with the air vents on top of the engine bonnet to effectively cool the engine bay area. Pininfarina also did it to enhance the car's visual presence. Instead of having just two air inlets, it gives the car's line more texture and presence. Like it or not, it is one of the most recognized feature of the car, even today. Basically, they are parts of a complicated system, not mindless cosmetic openings. However, the same can not be said about the rest of the automotive designers that copied it. It was also copied multiple times by the aftermarket body kit vendors that ranged from Porsche & BMW, to Toyota & Honda and to Chevy and Ford.

    1a) Coupled with the car's cooling system and configuration of the Boxer 12, which yielded a car with an extremly wide rear - Notice the extended width of the rear fenders from the front of the car, they also acts as an aero device - Similar to the sidepods of the F1 or Prototype race cars. Provides the much needed down force to the rear/driving wheels at speed. And this also give birth to point #2.

    1b) By moving all of the cooling system to the rear of the car, this also freed up the front. The nose can be lowered, lack of long and complicated plumbing that can be tricky to deal with if a leak should occur and most of all, allows the creation of an actual trunk which is something that not all mid-engined 12 cylinder cars can claim. With its custom luggages, you can easily carry a week's worth of belongs. Needless to say, this also depends on who is doing the packing.

    2) The Testarossa was the first regular production roadcar to feature 2 different tyre/wheel sizes in the front and back. With the wide rear fender, the use of wide tyres became a possibility. Again, a feature that has its origin in racing. Better traction to the driving wheels and better stability, in capable hands, this aids in letting the driver to go from understeer to oversteer entering and exiting fast corners. The Testarossa is also the first to feature two sets of dampers/springs in the rear suspension.

    3) Tradition. Pinnifarina used the Testarossa to make a bold statement. It is a departure from conventional automotive design, perhaps not as radical (Not only visionally but also from the engineering POV) as the Miura or the Dino at its days, but it did enough to shake up the automotive world. Tradition means different things to different people, IMO, having round tail lights or oval front grill does not make the car more traditional. The blind following of tradition can also lead to lack of innovation or creativity, just look at how many retro-looking new cars we have out there? How exciting are these cars to look at? Nostalgic maybe, but not the type of excitment that can be invoked by a brand new innovative design. If one wants to stay within tradition, then there will be no need to design or creat new cars. Yes, the Testarossa was a departure from the traditional desgin cues, but it retained its spirit and the essence of what a Ferrari is within its own desgin cues. Not one feature about the car was wasted or unneccessary. For example. the center front grill was there to cool the brakes as oppose to the lower left opening was for the AC, hence only on one side. As oppose to the 512tr's front grill is only cosmetic, and was created to applease the "tradition".

    When the Testarossa was created, Enzo was still alive. Even know that he no longer has any direct inputs on the creations of the roadcars, his presence along with the cars that bears his name still carrys plenty of weight. Pininfarina dared to take chances, they designed and came up with creative solutions. They innovated design features that were admired and copied by many. Their cars were unmistakable, Ferrari.

    To my fellow forum members, please feel free to share more of the special design cues about the Testarossa if you know of any. I am sure all of the Testarossa fans will appreciate it greatly. Regards.
     
  2. vvassallo

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    Your point about the relocation of the radiators is well taken and the design has served as the benchmark for all successive Ferrari (and Lambo) models. As a 348 owner, I am grateful for the TR's pioneering design because it gave birth to my car and the wonderful 355, 360 and 430's that followed.

    The increased width due to the sidepods for radiator and oil cooler widened the track for a more stable platform and better cornering. Althought the TR is not a corner carver, the V-8's that followed are.

    From a visual standpoint, the width created a more aggressive stance and a sexier rear end with muscular haunches.

    For all the size, however, you would think that there would be more storage space in the car. The engine compartment is pretty inefficient, but then, these cars are not about how much cargo or luggage one can carry. Personally, I think Pininfarina could have created the same car with a slightly smaller scale and been more successful with it. This way the TR would have been a bit more GT that boulevardier.
     
  3. AHudson

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    Great job of pointing out some unique features and giving people something to build upon.

    To clarify a couple of points (and you knew somebody would nit pick) the Pantera of 1971 had 'staggered' wheel sizes front/rear. And unless you meant "first" as in "for Ferrari", the Jaguar E-type of 1961 used four shocks/springs in the rear.

    Again, great start (or is that 'grate start'? Sorry.) to help others - like me - who are interested in this car from afar... but getting closer. Thanks.
     
  4. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    There are a variety of Ferrari's that predate the TR that have 4 shock/springs in the rear as well, BB, C4, and 400 among them.
     
  5. Tifoso1

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    As I understood it, it was the first Ferrari to feature the staggered wheel/tyre front and rear.

    Thank you, I was not aware of those. By BB, do you mean the 512BBs? I double checked on the Ferrari site, they didn't indicate that the BBs had 4 rear shocks as well. But under the Testarossa, they clearly indicated that there are 4 in the rear.
     
  6. Pantera

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    Good to know. But I was always thinking of the GT5 models though.

    Thanks.
     
  7. ants2au

    ants2au Formula Junior

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    Hate to be a party pooper, but the 512TR front grill is functional. it houses the aircon radiator.
    cooling of the front brakes was via the two inlets in the front air dam.
    Soooo, everything on the front of the 512TR is also functional.


     
  8. carguy

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    The "cheese graters" were designed to decrease turbulence, not increase it as originally stated. They straighten out the flow of air to get more air through the radiators. The strakes (...the official name I think) also serve another purpose and that is to comply with some safety laws related to open areas on vehicles. An open area can only be so big before a grill of some type is required to prevent the unintentional intake of foreign objects.

    I have an old book that shows the development of the Testarossa and there were a LOT of hurdles to overcome, to make the design work on the street. At the time of it's introduction it was a huge accomplishment. And time has shown just how good the car is.

    The only major problem is the well-known gearbox issue, which seems to be a hit-or-miss problem. Some TRs get very high miles on them with no problems, while others with relatively low miles encounter the big bang.

    As for personal opinions about the Testarossa....everyone is entitled to say what they want. But personally I have never really understood why there is so much TR bashing. Some day the Testarossa's ship will come in, and it will be recognized and appreciated for the great car it is.
     
  9. Tifoso1

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    Taken from Ferrari World, Issue #13, 1991. By Sergio Pininifarina:

    "Take the air intakes, which had to function particularly efficiently. At first, we found the car was so well stremlined that the air flowed along the sides without entering in sufficient quantity to cool the power unit.

    In order to solve the problem, we had to design grilles that would convey air to the radiators in greater volume. The solution was not to make the car good looking; good looks resulted from finding a functional solution."
     
  10. Tifoso1

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    My mistake then, thank you for the correction. You wouldn't happen to know which car was the first to have a cosmetic front grill? Was it the F355, F360 or F430? Or do all of them function as some sort of air intake? TIA.
     
  11. aleventhal

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    Not true - 512BB had staggered front/rear wheels (7.5"/9") and tires (215/70 and 225/70 XWX) beginning in 1976.

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  12. jungathart

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    Pardon my uninformed presumption, but aren't all design elements on a Ferrari functional as well as esthetic?:)
     
  13. till.a.fischer

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    HOHO ! TR-Fans, fine.

    The original Testarossa is definitely my favorite Ferrari - it is the last V12 with a really modern Design.

    All the new front engined V12's feature IMO too many retro-style-elements.

    I'm quite sure that the 348 also has a cosmetic front grille.
     
  14. WILLIAM H

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    1 of the details I love so much about the TR is the line from the front of the door that rises up to the rear quarter panels to the rear of the car. It is SO masterful, like flowing water

    It actually reminds me of a running horses mane
     
  15. Tifoso1

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    I may be wrong but not according to Ferrari's own website. Under tyres for the 1981 512 BBi: Michelin 245/55 VR 415 TRX was the only size tyre that came with the car, front and back. And under 1976 512BB, it was listed as: Michelin 215/70 VR 15 only, for both front and rear.
     
  16. Tifoso1

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    Unforunately, not all are functional these days. The useless front grill that some many "traditionalist" cries about has became a non-functioning add-on somewhere along the line. Hopefully someone more knows will post it here.
     
  17. Steve B

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    The 512 BB had wider rear wheels and tires than the fronts. Reading from my copy of a 512 BB owner's manual:

    Wheels:
    Front 7.5" X 15"
    Rear 9.0" X 15"

    Tires:
    Front 215/70 VR15
    Rear 225/70 VR15

    The 365 BBs and the 512 BBis did have the same width wheels and tires though.
     
  18. parkerfe

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    No, while the BB512i had the same size tires front and rear, the rear wheels were wider than the front wheels...
     
  19. parkerfe

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    The BB512i does have four rear Koni shocks per side...
     
  20. parkerfe

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    The TR front grill was cosmetic only...at least on my former 1986 model...there was a seperate opening on the front passenger side that allowed air too come in to cool the AC evaporator...
     
  21. Rifledriver

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    No, it provided brake cooling air as indicated.
     
  22. parkerfe

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    As I recall on my 1986 TR, there were separate openings on each side of the front grill for brake cooling...the 'egg-grate" shaped grill itself was fake...
     
  23. Rifledriver

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    The metal egg crate was trim just like every other car ever made. The black space behind it provides air to the brakes just as said in the opening post.
     
  24. F1 MONZA

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    Fine with all that stated nothing new was said. We already know this by now. The only reason Mr. Enzo produced the Testarossa was to have a wrestling match with the Lamborghini Countach. Since Mr. Enzo did not want to play second fiddle to the Countach. Secondly the boxer was getting a bit old. Somethig new had to take its place. The testarossa came onto the stage in 1984. The Testarossa was not favoured by Enzo but did satisfy the general public. Only time can tell if the testarossa is still a true sports car. not comparing to the newer model range.
     
  25. parkerfe

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    Have you ever seen a TR up close? The TR "egg crate" front grill is black plastic...not metal...and it is solid with no way for air to pass through...and, even it there were, there is nothing behind it for the air to pass through to...at least on a TR...I do not know about a 512TR or M versions....
     

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