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A Ferrari 308 being reborn

Discussion in '308/328' started by 308tr6, Jul 24, 2007.

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  1. Bullfighter

    Bullfighter Two Time F1 World Champ
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    It was an option on all 308/328s, AFAIK -- not just Euro cars.

    With all the shrinkage on Boxers (almost all of them), 355, TR, etc., it was pointed out to me by a longtime Ferrari dealer that the stock 308/328 dash covering was more sensible and he didn't know why they switched.
     
  2. phrogs

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    Need more pictures!

    I love this work nothing better than a do it yourself project

    This is what makes these cars so much fun learning about them.
     
  3. 308tr6

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    #128 308tr6, Jan 25, 2008
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    Some more pix of progress...

    Pistons went in last night. The ARP ring compressor is the bees knees. I had only used the screw/clamp type compressor before, but this thing works like a charm, nice and smooth. Well worth the 50 bucks.

    Next I am taking the oil pump apart just to look at before I put the cam bearings and and oil gear assembly together. It was working fine and seems to turn over smooth, etc., but the guys at Norwood suggested I take it apart to have a closer look just to make sure, and replace anything with obvious wear. I searched for oil pump failures on this forum and it doesn't seem to be much of an issue on 308s????? Any comment?
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  4. 308tr6

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    #129 308tr6, Feb 4, 2008
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    While I got held up a bit on my engine work - due to cam bearing removal issue, decided to work on the nose a bit. Installed new fans for hopefully a bit more flow and cooling, and retained the ability to go back original quite easily if ever desired. Can't see them in the pic, but also installed new ducting hose for heater fans. Starting to look a bit like a car again.
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  5. ducowti

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    Great documentation of your project - thanks for taking the time to post and write the color for it all! :thumbsup Came across a rough 308 for sale missing some bodywork I think about $8500. Thought about a restoration for about 2 seconds and reality set in...hehe
     
  6. 308tr6

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    #131 308tr6, Feb 4, 2008
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    Oh...and as suggested by the guys at Norwood I also took apart the oil pump to have a peek inside - kinda like opening packages on Christmas morning - not sure what you are going to find. So at this point I think I have explored the very inner crevices of this car. It looked great, gear wear was nearly non-existent, smooth roll, no galling, etc. So, back together again (in same contact position) and much cleaner inner housing (this was a before shot).
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  7. JCPost

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    I am about 10 minutes from Mt. Rushmore.
    Rapid City is the primary city here in western, SD. Tourists are gone, awesome weekend for a spin on the 999.[/QUOTE]

    Rapid City? You have to be the only F-Car owner west of the river. I'm in Sioux Falls- HUGE 308 fan. Surprisingly we have a healthy F-Car presence in Sioux Falls- several 360s, a few 430s, one 456, one 550, and at least 3 308QVs

    Curious- is the Motor Company still on St Joe St? I haven't been west in several years. I used to enjoy talking Jag, Triumph, and MG with that old man. He had 20 yr old grease under his nails. I could talk to that guy for hours!

    Anxious to see the finished product. Keep the posts coming!
     
  8. 308tr6

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    I have never seen another 308 here, although there is a guy who apparently owns 3 Fcars (including a 512BBi), but I have never seen them. I see a 360 on rare occasion. This is the land of pickup trucks! Motor Service Co. is still there, and the old guy, but I don't think they have a new car dealership for anything anymore. Has a couple old jags and a triumph here and there. He likes to chat.

    We should start a SD Ferrari club. One six pack would cover refreshments at the meets!
     
  9. DMaury

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    I love the pics, keep 'em coming. It looks great, Rico.
     
  10. barcheta

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    check Keith Bleumel's Original Ferrari V8 for the color code. I beleive it's in there.
     
  11. BigTex

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    Rock on!

    Yep, an oil pump malfunction would be VERY rare...good to check EVERYTHING though, I agree.

    Carry on......nice pistons, I'm jealous!

    Oh yea......spray paint those new shocks Krylon orange......LOL! ;)
     
  12. JazzyJay

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    Paint it gold with black bottom boxer scheme. Sharp. I'm a non-red Ferrari fan.
     
  13. 308tr6

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    Hey, that sounds like my kinda car! Seriously, I would be interested if you could PM me some details.
    By the way, thanks for the positive comments!
     
  14. 308tr6

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  15. RGigante

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    Since you have the engine apart, could you please check if the flywheel can be put back in place in the "wrong" way, so that the PM mark is no longer in place when cylinder 1 is at TDC ?
    I'm helping a friend (also Fchater) with a problematic 328 after a clutch change. The PM marks are not visible when cyl. 1 is at TDC.

    Some people say it can't be put in the wrong position, some say it can. I would like to be sure before taking it all apart for nothing ...

    Thanks,
    Rui
     
  16. 308tr6

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    #141 308tr6, Feb 8, 2008
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    Excuse me if this double posts, I had trouble the first time.

    I am not at this point quite yet, but will post a couple pics from my dissassembly if that helps. There are probably (surely) other engine guys on this board that can probably answer your question definitively! So, my shot at it from my desk at work is this....

    I think it is possible to incorrectly mount the flywheel to the crankshaft, but not the clutch assembly to the flywheel. The flywheel to crank mountings are concentric it appears and could be mounted in several different rotations. I think the clutch assembly can only mount in one way to the flywheel however as the bolt holes are specific and non-concentric. Thus you could have a mounting in which the timing marks are not seen. Not the end of the world however, you would just have to time it by an "alternate method".

    Hope that helps, bear in mind I might have this all screwed up, but someone can give you a better answer I am sure until I get to that point and can look at it directly in my shop.
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  17. james patterson

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    You would have to be a goober to install incorrectly, one of the bolt holes is on a different radius from the center than the others. But if someone ground out the one hole in the flywheel or ground down the bolt it 'could' be done but it is beyond my comprehension as how it could occur.
     
  18. 308tr6

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    #143 308tr6, Feb 14, 2008
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    Got the bottom end of the engine all finished up, baffles in, oil pickup etc., so time to mount it back to the gearbox. Nice to have it in one piece again. Getting ready to install flywheel (being machined) so got set up to check timing marks and establish a precise TDC.
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  19. DMaury

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    Looks beautiful!
     
  20. BigTex

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    Now would be the time to get the oil pressure windage tray/baffle, if you are so inclined..there have been good results with it.

    I don't have one, but others have been pleased with it.

    Just thought I'd mention it...carry on!
     
  21. 308tr6

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    Yeah, probably not a bad idea, but I considered it more of an issue with a "track" car which unfortunately is not an option in this part of the world. So, stayed with stock baffling setup (which seems fairly well setup actually). Thanks for checkin it out!
     
  22. pad

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    "Now would be the time to get the oil pressure windage tray/baffle, if you are so inclined..there have been good results with it.
    I don't have one, but others have been pleased with it.
    Just thought I'd mention it...carry on!"

    If you are considering doing any track events, I would strongly suggest the add-on baffle.
     
  23. BigTex

    BigTex Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    Absolutely correct, never had the issue in street use....only long extended sweepers cause it to fall.....

    You are welcome! Carry on!

    One of mine has fully cracked out the paint now, so I am jealous of your skills...
     
  24. BigTex

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    Did you get your car back together, Paul????

    You run the baffle?

    Greg328 has one on the floor, it looked like a nice product.
     
  25. pad

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    Yes, I got the car all back together last summer and even got several track events in last year including the FCA2007 meet at Watkins Glen last Labor Day. Car looks and runs better than ever. I installed the baffle and that ended the oil pressure drop problem. I might ever remove the Accusump... but maybe not. The next project is boosting the engine. I'm tired of getting run over by the Challenge cars in the straights.
     

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