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A Market Corner

Discussion in 'Vintage Ferrari Market' started by yale, Mar 7, 2009.

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  1. yale

    yale Formula Junior

    May 2, 2004
    744
    New York City
    Sorry to bring up the commerce thing again but last night I went to dinner with a friend of mine who is an Aston man...so to speak. He also works for one of the large auction companies and when I asked him how Astons were doing in this current world he told me about a man who has bought 350 left hand drive (only) 1950's and 60's Astons over the last few years and how that has driven the market in these cars. A week or so ago I was at a party in New England at a shop that also buys and sells cars and one of the owners was telling me how they had a client who over the last year had spent 25 million dollars on vintage cars, many of them Ferrari's, (including four red 275GTB's!). Just now I finished an article in last weeks NY Times magazine about the Mugrabi family that over the past period of years has bought over 3000 pieces of art, mostly from the same handful of artists which in effect set the market price for that particular artists work.

    I remember all those folks in the past year or two telling us how this run up in car prices was different then in the 1980's because these were "end users" and not speculators etc. So next time, probably in another 25 years or so, those of us still alive should remember. Maybe the true value of a Daytona for instance is 80 - 150,000 and those other, higher, prices are the speculative bubble -exceptions- instead of the other way around.
     
  2. elads

    elads Formula Junior

    Dec 29, 2004
    282
    israel
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    elad
    Good point, Yale

    While im bearish on prices - does not take a genius to come to that conclusion - i doubt that the broader collector pricing is set by efforts to "corner the market".
    In fact collector cars are somewhat floored by the cost of restoration. so while an 80k Daytona could happen, by itself that would not be a steady-state price, as it costs much more to restore.

    Prices can overshot both ways, but for now the risks are to the downside.

    BTW, from very recent personal experience, i have been chasing a few cars in recent past, and it is safe to say that sellers are far more attentive these days. Still, there is no wholesale dumping for real cars in the upper bracket. But even there hard nosed sellers recognize real 25% softness. We are speaking about cars that are 1 out of 10 level of rarity, even there reality has calmly emerged.

    elad
     

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