a new dino on the market

I noticed the speedo is on the left of the instrument panel. Is this true for all LHD cars? Mine is RHD and has the speedo on the right. The position of the middle gauges are also reversed on mine.

 

Looks like a nice Dino, needs some detail work.

I HATE it when someone puts modern rubber on these cars. Those tires look awful. These cars came with XWX's and should only be on those tires. XWX's drive great and since the car was truly designed with that tire in mind they handle very well with XWX's.

Tires have to go, otherwise looks pretty nice, not perfect, but nice.

 

All US cars have gauges as shown in these pics. Car appears to be European with sloped front turn signal lenses, small side markers, Kilometer markings, no English anywhere, no smog eqpt. Looks nice. Wonder how it got here.

John

 

According to the Dino Register it's been in the US since 1974.

East coast, MD and PA.

I'd want to get a close look for rust. MY east coast car had holes in it where I didn't even know there was supposed to be sheet metal.

It does look, from the pix, like a nice clean car.

Bill Noon posts here regularly, maybe he'll comment.

Dave M.

 

I remember, back in the mid-80's, there was a yellow Dino I used to see parked in a community parking lot off the main street of Hatboro, PA. Even then, when Dinos were only a dozen years old, I was amazed that anyone was using anything that exotic as daily transportation. The parking lot in question was otherwise filled with run-of-the-mill K-cars and CVCC Civics, though there was another oddity - an abandoned Lancia rotting in the weeds at the edge of the lot.

I always wondered what happened to that Dino, and if it stayed in the area. Do you know of any yellow Dinos in Southeastern PA?

 

Wow, very clean inside and a clean engine! I would be curious what they are asking, not that I'm in the market.

Birdman

 

I believe they're asking $149k, which surprises me. Have prices really gone that high lately? I haven't been following the market for a while, but still . . .

 

You beat me to it wspeer, didn't see your post.

 

How did they get the wheels to look so good?

 

not to be too picky but before someone waves that "gem" in..you might want to consider;
*paint gaps on engine bay & front hood should be black(not red)
*engine bay paint looks too shiny(think original was more flat black)
*air cover should have a sticker on it (or maybe just for US cars not sure)
*radio...not correct
*trunk carpet way nicer than what was in the original
*air ventilation hose in frtont hood not replaced - easy to do
*speakers in door way wrong
*looks like a hole in upper right door panel (maybe a smudge not sure)
*puckered door panels- either wrong screws(hard to find now)or material too thick
for anything north of 85 grand the car should be immaculate (also nuts on head gold & should be black)

 

The last three GTS cars I looked at (all north of $85K, some well north) were not even in good driver condition, and needed major repairs along with interior work to get there.

Does that make this a $150K car? dunno. Haven't heard the details on it. Don't know if it has books and tools, and we don't know mechanical condition.

Overall looks to be a very nice car, but pictures tell you little. My car looked great in pictures before it went for paint, but up close, there were plenty of signs the car needed work.

Same could apply here, or it could be cherry. No way to know.

However, like Wspeer, find me $85K cars that look like this, and I'm in for a half dozen.

Dave M.

 

$150K? Wow, that is more than I suspected. I would've guessed $100K max. Shows you how out of touch I am on Dino prices. Damn!

It's a great car, but for that kind of money, I'll take a 360 and use the money left over for another 308!

Birdman

 

Official price is $149K.

Car has super rare and impossible to get original ACI "Libretto" which is the equivellent of a combination road registration / Title and License. Details far more as it is also kind of like a log book with names dates and addresses of previous owners etc...

This was one of the last 100 pure Euro cars ever built. Completed in January of 1974 but not sold new until January 16th of 1975. One continuous owner in Rome with full documentation until being sold by him in August of 1978. Imported into the USA on the old "one-time" only private imporation plan to Maryland. This was a loop-hole for private individuals to bring in a non-complying car to the USA. Only around for a few years and only used from my experience by some pretty savy buyers who really did their homework on Federal Imporation rules.

Remember this is a super late production Euro car with end of the line features and trim. Very few of these cars are left as most were driven in Europe on a regular basis and they all had zero rust protection! I remember seeing plenty of adds for "£1000 as is or will break for parts" well into the early 1980s as restoring rusted out examples made zero sence.

Car has had a stack of money spent. Bills over $65K on engine, paint, suspension and interior. There are some minor trim, detail issues and it has no tools but I have had 100s of these cars over the years even going back to when they were $40 to $50K when there were scary few buyers. Sorry boys but those days are gone. My racing partner from back East just bought an ex-three-time FCA platinum car for $190K plust 10% for tax, license and registration and feels he got lucky as it takes near $200K to bring a car up to these ludicrous standards and then they are more show than go.

Between you and me, Dinos are twice as much fun as a Daytona and ulike the Daytona which only comes alive above 80+mph, Dinos are a blast at modern real world speeds even in traffic.

This is a clean no rust super driving car. I am sure my retail boys will find a loving home despite all the critics and their comments.

We just completed our own PPD inspection and have about $2K worth of minor issues that are going to be addressed otherwise car is being sold as is.

Car is being looked at by another dealer tomorrow for a client in LA. I have a ton better photos that might get posted later next week on our site if the car is still around.

I am also adding in the history after 1978 and the next four private owners until the car came to us for the history fans.

The car is being sold with true kilometers indicated.

One last thought, I do not know what the real rear-wheel bhp of these cars is. Ferrari lied and said they were 195bhp but that was more than a little optimistic. I do know that the USA variants with retarded ingition, micro-switch, restricted recirc exhaust systems etc... are 10 to 15% less.

I would love to see a real rolling dyno report on one of these cars. My guess is a Euro car is putting out an honest 155 or so bhp in third at 7000+rpm.

In any case, the demand and markets being what they are, if we could find ten more, we would buy them all and pack them away putting one on the floor after each previous one sells.

Warm regards,

Bill Noon

 

Bill.

Thanks for the email on the car. It does look great. Unfortunately, out of my brother in law's price range.

Last question.

Do you have the books, pouch and tools? Are they included with the car?

As these have become a very big ticket item, it has become an important value question.


Dave M.

 

Bill, my car recently sat on a dyno. We've done some work to it, but the only non-stock item is upgraded pistons making a 10.4:1 compression.

Mine is a US car.

We had 177 RW HP at almost 7000 RPM in 3rd gear. Probably would have made a little more than that, but I didn't want to rev over 7K.

Here's a copy of the dyno sheet.

Dave
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Thanks!!! 10.4:1 is quite a bit more than stock. Do you know what was the static ignition set at and what was the advance. I am assuming also with that high compression running 91 octane pump gas is going to be right at the limit on detination. With the US style recirc headers it is real easy to burn exhaust valves with hign compression / lean burn settings on the carbs and too much ignition advance.

Ferrari was super inconsistent with advertisements over the life of the Dino production but most sources quote 9.0:1 on the early cars. Less as more and more smog rules started taking their toll this side of the pond.

We have done plenty of 166-246 S and SP race Dino motors over the years and learned the hardway about pushing the limits with these engines.

The 196SP we had a few years back was making 195bph on straight pipes but that was at the fly-wheel.

Warm regards,

Bill Noon

 

Bill.

I run 93 octane, without a problem.

I can't recall the settings on the ignition, but Tony at Algar has fine tuned the car extremely well, it runs very strong.

And about those books and tools???

Dave

 

You know, I read that thing three times looking for it and didn't see that...

 

We must be coming up on a critical pricing point for these.

Suddenly there are four or five cars out there, when a couple of weeks ago, there were none.

I guess the $125k+ selling prices are starting to attract some cars into the market.

dm

 

Aloha.....road scholars is asking $165k for the silver/red Dino GTS on e-bay...they will do a complete inspection before selling....high integrity sellers for sure.......Gregg Blue

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