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...a real classic Maserati!

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  1. Boudewijn

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  2. ColdWater

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    The photo is mislabeled as 2 liter, actually this car took 9th in the GT 1500cc class in the 9 September 1951 Bologna - Raticosa event driven by Pier Carlo Nichello.

    s/n055 also ran in the 1948 Mille Miglia under number 510, driven by its original owner Filippo Tassara.

    This car was probably parted out in the late 1990s in California.
     
  3. wbaeumer

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    Boudewijn,
    good catch! Can you scan it in bigger size to read the registration?

    Many thanks.

    Ciao!
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  4. wbaeumer

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    #229 wbaeumer, Jun 5, 2009
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    Here comes s/n055 in the 1948 MM.

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  5. ColdWater

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    Terrific photo at the Mille Miglia, Walter. Do you know how it placed ?

    I have a big 6.2 MB scan file of the photo Boudewijn posted, but the registration number is nevertheless impossible to read as the original source was a book or magazine printed with Benday dots. Otherwise I have F147??? while with Nichello, and BS25??? when originally registered with Tassara. Also registered in Verona, Lucca and Firenze again.

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  6. ColdWater

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    052, 053, 056, 059 (lungo variant), 060, 061, 064, 065, 068, 069, 073, 076, 078, 083, 084, 086 (3C variant), 089 (probably a re-number, perhaps of 080), 091, 096, 097, 101, 103, 106 and 108.

    Twenty-four (some better, some much worse) out of sixty-one ?
     
  7. wbaeumer

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    not sure yet - as I am with my babe and not in the office! But: s/n055 seems to be vanished as only the engine survived in the US!

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  8. wbaeumer

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    #233 wbaeumer, Jun 5, 2009
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    Don,
    can you please send it via email? Many thanks.

    The MM-pic shows the car prior to the start in Brescia. I assume the person next to the drivers door is Tassara. The others are unknown to me. But it seems to me that Nichello had the car repainted in a darker color. On the MM-pic the car looks like in silver.

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  9. ColdWater

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    E-mail sent, hope the big file fits down the pipe.

    Makes sense that everyone smiles before the start. I have no indication of the original color of #055, but allowing for reflection and b&w film it could be the same in MM and the later race.
     
  10. Boudewijn

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  11. ColdWater

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    #236 ColdWater, Jun 5, 2009
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    Ah so, rather more difficult.

    I'm fairly confident that the red car is #101, sold out of California after restoration in (perhaps) Virginia.

    The car in dark red (amaranth ?) should have a s/n below #090, as later cars had hood scoops. Could it be #084 after a repaint ? Or #056 after removal of the non-original front signal lights ? Or my best guess, the elusive and mysterious #075 - see the number plate ?
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  12. johnei

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    Great collection of pictures :)
     
  13. Boudewijn

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    #084 has quite a different interior and seeing photos of #084 in 2004 this car was certainly not asking for a respray.
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  14. wbaeumer

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    Is this a Russian registration???? Anyway, s/n84 is today a non-matching-no.-car! It has engine #2030 (coming from a Frua-Spyder) installed! Sold new on April 14, 1950 to Guiseffius Carraretto, Milano, most likely via Cornacchia.

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  15. wbaeumer

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    Don,
    you mean s/n64 here, correct?

    Did Hofer once own the car? If so, when?

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  16. wbaeumer

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    Good question(s). Unfortunately the Japanese Masrati Club is not very communicative......!

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  17. wbaeumer

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    #242 wbaeumer, Jun 6, 2009
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    Another and a little blurry photo of Tassara in his car in the STella Alpia-race 1948.

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  18. ColdWater

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    Yes, #064. Until the late 1980s this car was reportedly quite original, and was used as a model for the restoration of #086 which then went on to win several concourses and a 3rd at Pebble Beach in 1984. It seems that Paynter disposed of #064 via a Brooks auction in October 1987, where it was purchased by Riverbi. The non-original color and features I mentioned in an earlier post were probably introduced during restoration in Switzerland for Riverbi. But I have no indication that Hofer ever owned #064, or for that matter any A6 1500.

    Greatly enjoying your photos and comments, Walter. Do you think the cars in Japan are #101 and #075 ?

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  19. wbaeumer

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    #244 wbaeumer, Jun 6, 2009
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    Don,
    yep, might be possible. But I am not sure. I believe there is currently only one A6G-1500 with the "Tora-Tora"-boys and all photos show the same!

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  20. Boudewijn

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  21. wbaeumer

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    What I always liked with the A6G-1500 was its simple but very elegant lines.
    I prefer it mich more than the fabled Cisitalia coupe that has a too small lower body section with a slightly too heavy greenhouse and needs more length.

    The A66G-design is much more nimble and very well balanced. Pininfarina made here a much better job than with the Cisitalia. But the MOMA things different.......!

    Ciao!
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  22. ColdWater

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    ??? One has hood scoop and added front signal lights, the other not. Aside from two different colors.
     
  23. ColdWater

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    #248 ColdWater, Jun 6, 2009
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    Agree with you, Walter. But definition of the rear fender on the Cisi is rather nice. Pininfarina's son said that his father loved this shape.

    The Cisitalia probably has a better competition record, but the A6 1500 has another half liter and two more cylinders, a considerably nicer and more interesting interior, and a front grill that echos twenty-five prior years of glorious competition.

    One of each for me, please.

    [Cisitalia photo from the MOMA website]
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  24. wbaeumer

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    The photos of the car with scoop are at least from 2001. I think there one of the two cars left the land of the rising sun in the mean time.

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  25. wbaeumer

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    here its clearly seen that the front fenders of the Cisitalia goes a little up to the headlamp section. The car "hangs" a little low in the middle while the A6G has straight lines. Yep, the Cisitalia`s rear is very nice but compare it to the A6 and you see not much differences.

    The Maserati is proportionwise the better balanced car!

    Ciao!
    Walter
     

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