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  1. ColdWater

    ColdWater Formula Junior

    Aug 19, 2006
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    Hi Walter,

    It would be fantastic if you could locate a photo in Paris, but the car was not there for long - approximately December 1949 to the end of 1950. I'd like to replace the Portuguese plates now on the car with something appropriate to the time of its first registration, but I'm unsure whether this was French or Italian (formal residence of the original purchaser was Positano (SA)).

    Are there any dates on the photos from Argentina ? It would have been '55 to '60 when Moss was in Argentina, no ? Considering the lack of a hood scoop the s/n of the car is almost certainly below 090. I wonder what Messrs. de Boer or Bertschi might know.

    Best,
    Don
     
  2. wbaeumer

    wbaeumer F1 Veteran
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    Hi Don,
    don`t think that Moss had anything to do with the A6G in Argentina.
    Yep, would be great what those two Messrs. ...::)) would say about that car.! I strongly assume that Cris is on his way to Paris for Retromobile (.....and the LIDO-girlzzzzzzzzzzz!!!).

    Ciao!
    Walter
     
  3. Boudewijn

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    #428 Boudewijn, Jan 19, 2010
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    This is the same car.
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  4. ColdWater

    ColdWater Formula Junior

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    Thanks for the additional photo. I wonder how serious this racing was, given that the hubcaps, wheel trim rings and bumpers were not removed.
     
  5. Merak1974

    Merak1974 Formula 3

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  6. wbaeumer

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  7. wbaeumer

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    Boudewijn,
    thanks for posting the pic. Can you mention the source?

    Ciao!
    Walter
     
  8. wbaeumer

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    #433 wbaeumer, Jan 23, 2010
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    I saw the car yesterday in Paris and was rather dissapointed! The resto is very odd (but I didn`t expect better as the mistakes they made in "Bella Italia" are clearly visible!).
    BUT: I like the car. I saw it first time now and was surprised how small and nimble it is!

    Ciao!
    Walter
     
  9. ColdWater

    ColdWater Formula Junior

    Aug 19, 2006
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    Thanks for the in-person report, Walter. Agree with you, the car is a wonderful shape.

    Would greatly appreciate if you could post photos of the engine compartment. I see some odd and certainly non-original elements in the Bonhams photo, but always value the opportunity to see how various components have been restored.

    The cars Bonhams assembled for this auction seem more interesting than everything in Arizona combined. Enjoy the show !

    Don
     
  10. wbaeumer

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    Hi Don,
    unfortunately I have no shots from the engine-compartment as nobody from BONHAMS was around to open the car! And later it was overcowded...!

    Ciao!
    Walter
     
  11. wbaeumer

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    #2117 was sold last weekend by GOODING & CO in their Rizone-sale.

    According to their catalogue description the car was sold new to Giulio Dubbini.

    I have contraticting infos. According to my humble archive the car was sold new to the Milano distributor when new and delivered on March 12 1956.

    It was sold later to a person also from Milan.

    Dubbini comes in the history of the car much later (possibly in the 60ies/70ies?).

    Can anybody clearify this?

    Also, was Bookhout the vendor last weekend?

    Ciao!
    Walter
     
  12. Wolf

    Wolf Formula Junior

    Nov 17, 2003
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    In November 2000 it was offered by the dealer Marcel Roks.


    Regards


    Wolfi
     
  13. ColdWater

    ColdWater Formula Junior

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    My understanding is that significant restoration work was done while owned by Mr Bookout, but the car was sold onward some time ago.

    Gooding has now posted prices realized. This lot #130 brought US$ 429,000.
     
  14. Wolf

    Wolf Formula Junior

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    #2115 was sold to an Italian in December 2009.


    Regards

    Wolfii
     
  15. ColdWater

    ColdWater Formula Junior

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    Congratulations, and thank you for mentioning this. It seems that the market is better recognizing the importance of these cars.

    Best,
    Don
     
  16. Boudewijn

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  17. wbaeumer

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    Good catch! Yep, might be possible as most details on this photo match to #055 and in 1951 its color had changed from silver to red.

    But - #049 could also be a candidate for that race!

    Ciao!
    Walter
     
  18. bellabarbas

    bellabarbas Formula Junior

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    This A6 is serial number 054, a dark red car. The italian immatriculation plates is GE 43200 (for Genoa), because in this time Luis Sereix was consul of Spain in the Genoa seat.
    He have raced already with Cisitalia berlinetta serial number 006 SMM.
    Around the Maserati A6 #054:
    17 November 1948 Luis Sereix, Genoa - second owner.
    20 November 1948 issued immatriculation plates: GE 43200
    29 May 1953 sold to Luigi Serra, Genoa -third owner.
     
  19. ColdWater

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    #444 ColdWater, Jan 31, 2010
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    Thank you Mr Bellabarba, and Boudewijn for the nice photos.

    I see only three cars with this body configuration - two-window coupe with ribs and portholes on the front fenders - #051 (after rebody), #054 and #055.

    Is it known which of these cars was shown at the Paris show in November 1947 (photo at post #374) ?

    Best regards,
    Don
     
  20. wbaeumer

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    #445 wbaeumer, Feb 1, 2010
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    Corrado,
    GRAZIE MILLE for this clearification.

    I have this for #054:

    1948
    Sold new to Marinotto Aldo, Milano, Italy
    Painted Amaranth

    *** 7. Sept. 1952, Coppa Intereuropa, Fezzardi/Capelli (no.??), 8.OA
    *** 9. Nov. 1952, Circuito Ospedaletti/San Remo, Fezzardi (no.6)

    Is this correct?

    Also, the car got some body-modification between the Sereix-ownership and Fezzardi.

    Ciao!
    Walter
     
  21. Boudewijn

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    #446 Boudewijn, Feb 1, 2010
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  22. wbaeumer

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    THat leaves the qestion if the 2nd Maserati-entry there was also a 1500-coupe or a 2-litre A6GCS "monofaro"?

    Ideas?

    Ciao!
    Walter
     
  23. Boudewijn

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  24. Merak1974

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    It is very likely that it was a A6GCS monofaro (as in the picture above); (i) according to the results sheet, Enrique Tintoré competed in the "open class" in that race, and (ii) Tintoré drove a A6GCS in 1949; he had driven a 4CL in 1948.

    Gabriel
     
  25. wbaeumer

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    Yep, the "s" confused many people at that time ... and until today! Thanks for posting this docs from Montjuich.

    Ciao!
    Walter
     

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