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  1. ColdWater

    ColdWater Formula Junior

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    Walter,

    Many thanks! Is that an external fuel filler next to the rear window ?! And the wheels are not Cabo, the hubcaps are not Maserati, and the bumpers are missing. The exhaust appears to be on the wrong side (suggesting a transplant), and there appears to be a radio antenna on the cowl. I suspect that this one was hot-rodded and lost.

    Best,
    Don
     
  2. wbaeumer

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    H Don,
    yep, it has an outside filler. But not sure about the hubcaps. See the photos of the car in the Antonioni-movie.
    No idea about the VIN. Only way to find out more is via the location.

    Ciao!
    Walter
     
  3. ColdWater

    ColdWater Formula Junior

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    #853 ColdWater, Jan 27, 2012
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    Yes, perhaps difficult to say about the hubcaps. Those on the Antonioni car are certainly factory original, although it seems that the logo is unpainted. In the Wolery photo the profile looks different to me, and the wheels do not appear to have the slots of the Cabos.

    Don
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  4. Boudewijn

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    #854 Boudewijn, Jan 27, 2012
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    This is the original photo (partly shopped) I took it from.
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  5. ColdWater

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    OK, not yellow, I defer to your expertise. But I know of no A6 1500s delivered in ivory or white.

    Now I've noticed that #098 was not delivered until July 1951, so we can probably rule out this one.

    When #108 was auctioned by Coys some years ago it had front vents with the small inset vertical slots as on early cars or Alfa 6C 2500s by PF, not the horizontal bars shown in the photos. These might be replacements as many other elements of this car are altered and not original, so the difference from Boudewijn's photo is probably not dispositive.

    I mistyped '100' in my earlier post #847, it should be #110. That is my best guess for the light-colored car in post #844.

    Don
     
  6. wbaeumer

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    Don,
    Nice photo! Is it your car?

    Ciao!
    Walter
     
  7. ColdWater

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    #086 at Blackhawk, 1992.
     
  8. Boudewijn

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    #858 Boudewijn, Jan 27, 2012
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  9. wbaeumer

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    Boudewijn,
    thats the kind of photo I really like - fantastic! Thanks for posting. What is the source?

    Ciao!
    Walter
     
  10. bellabarbas

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  12. bellabarbas

    bellabarbas Formula Junior

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    I hope that one day you shall publish in a worthy setting !!
    Ciao
     
  13. wbaeumer

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    #863 wbaeumer, Jan 27, 2012
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    yep, one day......::))

    Ciao!
    Walter
     
  14. Registro Pietro Frua

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    #864 Registro Pietro Frua, Jan 28, 2012
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    It is the 1951 Paris show car s/n 2029. The car had an appearance in the setting of an 1987 episode of 'Miami Vice' (see attached screenshot).
    It was last seen in 1990 when it was auctioned by Sotheby's to an unknown cinema producer in Italy (according to FCM 1990). See my website on the known history of 2029:
    www.pietro-frua.de/1950_maserati.htm#2029

    Any ideas, where it is today? Frank?

    Stefan
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  15. wbaeumer

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    The car is currently located in Switzerland. Saw it there in October 2011.
    I was not permitted to take any photos.

    Ciao!
    Walter
     
  16. bellabarbas

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    Maybe someone with a gun photographer acid ?
    If any reference to the place was excluded could also give permission.
    Too jealous !!
     
  17. bellabarbas

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    #867 bellabarbas, Jan 29, 2012
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    But back to the story that it is better.
    Many years ago, for a film award in Fiuminata-Marche, I have meet Mr. Enzo Serafin and his wife, who had been director of photography on the Antonioni’s movie: Cronaca di un amore.
    I asked him some information and told me who the man who drive the Maserati A6 was Mr. Vicentin, an invalid from II° war, at this time dealer of cars in Milan.
    Perhaps some reader of FerrariChat has a document at home that Vicentin had sold an A6 ? Definitely sold initially in Milan.
    But then we must say that the protagonist buys a beautiful Cisitalia 202 Cabriolet (serial number 065 SC) that from many years sleeping in an italian collection.
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  18. wbaeumer

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    Corrado,
    no Vicentin in my records....

    Ciao!
    Walter
     
  19. bellabarbas

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    Perhaps never registered to the dealer or maybe we've never met......
    Unfortunately we don't know all the license plates around A6.
    But perhaps one day some brave studious can take them out and then let us also a good book.
     
  20. Registro Pietro Frua

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    #870 Registro Pietro Frua, Jan 31, 2012
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    Correction: The two photos have been donated by Jim Hayes together with the rest of the Howard Wolery album to the Int. Motor Racing Center in Watkins Glen in 2011. I attach a larger scan of the Frua Spider #2029 taken by Howard Wolery on 19th June 1955 at the Sports Car Races on the Lawrenceville Municipal Airfeld.

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  21. iicarJohn

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    The concours at Lawrencevile, June 1955, had two Maserati entries as listed by the program:

    1952 Maserati Gran Sport Giles Anderson - Columbus, IN
    1949 Maserati Gran Sport Charles Saffell - Huntsville, AL
     
  22. Registro Pietro Frua

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    #872 Registro Pietro Frua, Jan 31, 2012
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    That's a great find, John, and adds Giles Anderson to the owners list of #2029. I have linked to the program from my website but expected the car to be a visitor and did not check the program. I will add Anderson and the concours to the history immediately:
    www.pietro-frua.de/1950_maserati.htm#2029

    Stefan
     
  23. ColdWater

    ColdWater Formula Junior

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    Hi John,

    Many thanks. Presumably these are the Frua spider #2029 and the A6 1500 depicted above, respectively.

    Around that same time, Mr. Saffell also owned Ferrari 250 MM Vignale spider #0348. The Ferrari was raced by his wife Audrey, whose recent reunion with the car is described in a terrific thread in the Vintage forum: http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=274681.

    If any of you scholars happen to connect with Mrs. Saffell Sundin to learn the s/n of the A6 1500 and about her experiences with the car, please mention it here.

    If the car ended its days in Alabama I might now have various parts of it in my garage, although unfortunately I haven't been able to locate any PF numbers.

    Best,
    Don
     
  24. wbaeumer

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    #874 wbaeumer, Jan 31, 2012
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    Stefan,
    this may be correct - but I got both images as original (!!) prints from that source some years ago.

    If I correctly recall - you got the Frua-Spyder-photo from me for your website with (as we know now -wrong) caption of Elkhard Lake....

    Ciao!
    Walter
     
  25. Registro Pietro Frua

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    Walter,

    I received only a small crop from the photo on Hayes' website in may 2006 from you. Jim Hayes sent me a much larger scan this week with the confirmation that the whole album with the original prints is at the Watkins Glen Racing Library (since 2001 as he wrotes on his website here: www.jimhayes.com/Wolery/album.html) and that he doesn't know you.
    For me that's no problem, I just want to get the photo's labeling in my documentation of #2029 correct.

    Stefan
     

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