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ABS COMPUTER BULLS#!+ INFORMATION

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  1. pnicholasen

    pnicholasen Formula 3

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    Well, that information happened to come from me, so it's time for me to eat some humble pie and apologize. When I was trouble shooting my non functioning ABS system, when I removed the ABS COMPUTER, I was surprised and thrilled to see the part number was the same as that used on a Lincoln Mark V which could be aquired for $40.00. It didn't fix my problem, but it seemed to work fine so I didn't bother to put the "original" one back in.
    It was only when ClydeM recently posted pictures of the original computer on his car versus the the Lincoln unit that reality slapped me up side the head. I couldn't initially understand why his computer had a Ferrari logo on it and Italian labeling on the case. FINALLY the feeble lightbulb in my head fired up and I realised someone other than the Ferrari factory had stuck a Lincoln computer in my car, and I had been stupid enough to assume it was supposed to be there.
    So, anyone who stuck a Lincoln computer in their Ferrari based on my suggestion, it seems it ain't the right part. My car seems to ABS just fine with it, but I certainly don't want anyone taking chances mistakenly believing that the Lincoln unit is the exact same computer ( well, I guess it could be, but you would have to have them both analysed to see).
    I'm wondering how the person who did the switch on my car chose that unit....
    Anyway. my apology for the mis-information. If I keep up like this I'll become a politician
     
  2. INRange

    INRange F1 World Champ
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    Paul,

    Honest mistake....you will never be a Politician. My first wife was and she always blamed someone else for "bad" info.
     
  3. taz355

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    Thanks paul but it does work does it not?
     
  4. pnicholasen

    pnicholasen Formula 3

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    When I slam on the brakes the pedal pulses,there is no ABS warning light, and it doesn't lock up, but I can't be sure it will function exactly like the correct Ferrari unit. Long and short; if you want to be absolutely safe and sure, get the one with the Ferrari sticker on it.
     
  5. ClydeM

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    I for one appreciate the information. If he's been riding around with it, then you know it's fine for testing, and that's what I want as I troubleshoot the system.
     
  6. SoCal1

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    Might work better

    :)
     
  7. Subarubrat

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    Given that Ferrari, like every other car manufacturer, goes to the vendors for hundreds of bits that make up a car beyond the bodywork and castings, it was not unreasonable to assume that they could have sourced the ABS unit from the same place Lincoln did. And who knows, it may yet prove to be the same unit, or it may not be.
     
  8. John Glen

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    I've replaced my failed original unit with the Ford ATE computer and it had worked fine for years.
     
  9. spider348

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    The picture ClydeM posted shows the units are not wired the same. There is a difference. Worth the cost savings?
     
  10. bobzdar

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    I think his picture just showed the pins were labeled differently (as you'd expect, to match the wiring diagram),but the connections looked identical. They're probably physically identical but perhaps subtle programming differences? I had mine open once to repair a ground but can't remember if there was a removable chip inside. If there is...

    Either way, if the car is happy and abs is working it doesn't much matter as these weren't racing abs units (obviously if used in a Lincoln).
     
  11. spider348

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    Pete if they are identical, great.
    If I am reading the schematics correctly on the Ferrari unit there are 6 unused ports 19~35 and 1 unused port 1~18.
    On the other unit 19~35 unused ports 8. 1~18 unused ports 3.
    I have no idea if this alters the performance of either ABS ECU.
     
  12. GTO Joe

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    Anyone know someone on the inside at ATE? They could tell us for sure.
     
  13. 4rePhill

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    I would suspect that the with Lincoln unit fitted to the 348, the ABS would probably cut in earlier due to car weight and brake balance differences.

    The system will work, just not as efficiently as it should do.

    I'd also have to say that in most incidents where ABS is useful: being able to steer round an oncoming incident whilst braking hard, the vast majority of drivers either completely forget that they can still steer and so just drive into the accident regardless, or simply have no where or no time to steer away from the incident so have the accident.

    Basically, as the ABS system has no effect on everyday/normal use of the brakes in terms of power or balance, I'm not convinced it makes that much of a difference.

    Put it this way, the 328 came both with and without ABS, and you don't hear that non-ABS cars are more prone to crashing than ABS equipped cars do you? (In fact, the non-ABS cars are often the more sought after cars).

    However, I would also add that it is more ideal to have the correct version fitted where possible, if only to avoid an insurance accident investigation refusing a claim due to a non standard piece of safety equipment being fitted should the unfortunate happen.
     
  14. pnicholasen

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    Did you choose that one based on my recommendation? If not, how did you pick that particular unit? I'm still trying to figure out how the person who stuck the Lincoln part in my car went with that computer. It seems to function at least fairly well, so how did they know it would maybe be a decent substitute? Is there a secret ATE equivalency chart somewhere? I'm sure if one contacted ATE, they would never tell you about possible substitutions due to liability concerns (sooo many lawyers...)
     

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