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ABU DHABI GRAND PRIX 2019: RACE ***SPOILER***

Discussion in 'F1' started by william, Nov 28, 2019.

  1. DeSoto

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    Well, I'm not one of those manic street preachers that say that F1 is dead. But let's not live in denial: it sucks. It's still the pinnacle of motorsport just because sports cars, rallyes and all the American racing suck even more.

    TV ratings are well below of what they used to be 10 years ago. The pay per view model sucks, it is good only for Liberty, but if the racing keeps sucking they'll find that nobody is going to pay for that ****. About the tracks, fortunately it seems that they're starting to realize that Bernie's extortion scheme was going to collapse: dropping Monza for Hanoi or whatever just because they can pay a fistful of millions more would only allienate the fans even more.

    Let's not talk about the cars, I think everybody agrees here: bad sound, ugly halo, and DRS. Ugh. Also the racing rules are so terribly complex that its application looks random, when not biased.

    And yes, there has been other periods of dominance by one team, but this one is the longest. The problem goes further because we come from 4 seasons of Red Bull dominance, and the 5 consecutive championships of Schumacher are not too far. So I guess that for the average guy, in Formula 1 "always wins the same" so he doesn't feel interested at all.

    I think that FIA and Liberty know that the ship is sinking, hence the radical changes for 2021. I don't know if it's going to work and personally I dislike some of the proposals but something has to be done.
     
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  2. Jack-the-lad

    Jack-the-lad Three Time F1 World Champ
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    I can’t speak for others, but I seriously doubt that the generally negative comments here about the state of F1 are based on one race or even one season. These are trends that have developed over many races in many seasons, with the additional frustration of F1 management, the teams and the FIA seemingly not giving a flip about the concerns of the fans and supporters. Most of us are too knowledgeable and too well informed for that to be the case.
     
  3. Jakuzzi

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    This is why Formula E is the FUTURE of motor racing :( ...... ;)
     
  4. Terra

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    Another "fake title?"
     
  5. TheMayor

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  6. DGS

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    I suspect a lot of this comes from the "cost cutting" rules imposed by Mad Max.
    No in-season testing and many of the rules pretty much kill significant car development during a season.
    So the car that wins the first race will pretty much dominate the year.
     
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  7. PBT58

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    What a boring end to a disappointing season.
    Merc was so dominant today... Hamilton was able to finish his Christmas shopping list during the final 20 laps.

    Sheesh... Let's hope the 2020 season is more competitive.
    See you guys in March.
     
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  8. Robb

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    Really boring race.

    Hurry up with the new rules and better cars...

    Robb
     
  9. Robbe

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    50k buys a podium these days?
    that 5kg extra was discovered, but was it removed before the race? Or did he have the advantage of more fuel, compared to Seb who was not as fast today?
    Ridiculous that a conflict with the rules which gives a driver an advantage can be remedied by paying a sum to the FIA.
    Poor Bottas, he was very close to the podium, and will have had good hopes for a 20 second penalty for CL.
     
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  10. subirg

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    So in conclusion this season was rubbish and F1 is dead because Ferrari didn’t win the championship. Now I get it.

    Sadly, this will remain the case as long as the incompetent team management and strategists remain. Let’s see what changes happen over the winter but if the same bunch of clowns turn up for February testing we may as well wave goodbye to the 2020 season as well.

    Meanwhile, over in Formula E... oh sorry, absolutely no one gives the slightest stuff about those asthmatic milk floats.
     
  11. TonyL

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    It is not a question of more fuel, fuel consumption is limited to 110kg!

    This is my understanding of the controversy, SF declared the fuel in the car prior to the race (paperwork excercise) and it was found to be outside the limits designated under the technical regulation 19.8.2 prior to the car leaving the pitlane

    19.8.2 Fuel density will also be checked and must be within 0.25% of the figure noted during pre‐
    approval analysis.


    For that reason the stewards fined SF for an incorrect declaration prior to the car leaving the pit lane.

    The fuel consumption during the event did not exceed the 110kg of fuel under the sporting regulations, had it done so then CL would have lost his 3rd place.

    30.5 No car is permitted to consume more than 110kg of fuel, from the time at which the signal to
    start the race is given to the time each car crosses the Line after the end‐of‐race signal has
    been given. Other than in cases of force majeure (accepted as such by the stewards), any
    driver exceeding this limit will be disqualified from the race results.


    What concerns me is that either SF are sailing very close to the shore on a lot of occasions (desperation) or that the FIA technical staff seem to be very lucky in catching them. I’ll leave the conspiracy theories to someone else but you have to at least question why.
     
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  12. william

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    #87 william, Dec 2, 2019
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    Absolutely true.
    I never understood the need for cost cutting in F1, nor the strict technical rules.
    F1 was healthier when there was more technical freedom and diversity of designs.
     
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  13. william

    william F1 World Champ

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    That's also why the "tifosi" deserted this forum it seems.
     
  14. DGS

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    #89 DGS, Dec 2, 2019
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    Mad Max wanted to attract smaller teams to F1 ---- so he could try to coerce them into using Cosworth engines (to boost his personal portfolio).

    But F1 is a *manufacturers'* series ... supposedly.
    Although several of the teams don't have production cars.

    (The original point to racing was technical development. --- And sales. ;))
    (I was a bit disappointed that FIA banned Renault's(?) mass damper system. That was something that might be useful on production cars.)
    (That's also one reason that -- in the "unpopular opinions" category -- I'd almost like to see an emissions test for F1 cars. --- Just to prove that clean doesn't have to mean slow. Let race engineers have a go at cleaning up emissions, rather than leaving it to politicians to dictate what "sounds good" to the poorly informed.)
    (I'd also like to see pure carbon brakes banned. They're useless to production cars, and limiting brake heating might make for some more passing on-track, as drivers would have to manage how much heavy braking they could do in a lap, versus letting the brakes cool.)
     
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  15. william

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    Originally, F1 was created in 1950 as a Drivers' championship, the Constructors' championship came about only in 1959.
    For years and well into the 80s, F1 thrived with with customers cars for private entrants and independent teams.
    The FIA removed that by imposing the teams to design and buid their cars (or at least to own the intellectual properties) to eliminate small teams.
    Because of discrepencies in budget or engineering capabilities, I simply don't think there are 10 teams capable to produce race winning F1 cars.
    So we end up with successive periods of domination that tend to frustrate the public.
     
  16. furoni

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    Yes, when you arrive second and they declare you the winner, it's called a fake!
     
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  18. subirg

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    ^^^ re Tifosi, team 44 and trolls etc, I have often wondered why the forum doesn’t just set up team specific threads where the hard core fans can call home? Might make life easier all round.
     
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  19. Bas Jaski

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    Nice try William, but you know the real reason we left as it was clearly explained to you.
     
  20. Casino Square

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    Ferrari will continue to lose as long as the "Italians" are in charge. Sorry, that is simply the truth. They need another Ross Brawn or Jean Todt or they will continue to sink with incompetent strategy and technical foul ups.
     
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  21. The Strad

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    I agree... but Binotto is Swiss! Unfortunately, his Swiss clock prevented Leclerc of being on time for a second try in Q3.:D
    The point is, the horse isn't jumping high any longer, mainly at the top. I am not convinced of the strength of CEO Camilleri, the boss who came after Marchionne.
    The great years were under di Montezemolo, that man had the power and knew how to speak to any department of the very politicalised that the Ferrari firm always had been.
    With a real powerful man at the helm (as much at the firm as in the F1 team), the dozens of Ferrari mistakes this season would not have happened, (strategy, drivers, sloppy pitstops, technology (fuel flow & weight).i
     
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  22. tifosi12

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    True dat.

    Congrats to Hamilton for pole and win. Congrats to Max and Charles for keeping it interesting what otherwise was a rather dull affair. I mean the race, not just the 2019 season... :)

    Looking forward to next year. Somewhat. Really looking forward to 2021 when things get mixed up again.
     
  23. trumpet77

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    Too bad we have one more year of the turbo era to go, and as much as I hate to congratulate Mercedes, they've had one DNF due to mechanical issues since Austria last year. F1 is all about pushing the limits, and when they make a car that just doesn't stop, Ferrari and the other teams can't hope to compete. Add in some mistakes by the drivers, the pit wall, (oops, sorry, not enough time to do a 2nd lap in Q3?!?!?), it's very frustrating.

    If the lack of development is related to spending money, or cost cap, well, we're probably lucky to have even 10 teams on the grid.
     
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  24. william

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    Are we sure of that ? I read in Wikipedia:

    "Mattia Binotto (born 3 November 1969 in Lausanne), is an Italian engineer and team principal of Scuderia Ferrari in Formula One.[1] He was appointed into the role on 7 January 2019, replacing Maurizio Arrivabene.

    Binotto obtained degrees in Vehicle Engineering at a bachelors' level at the École Polytechnique Fédérale de Lausanne in 1994 and later a Master in Motor Vehicle Engineering at the University of Modena and Reggio Emilia. In 1995 he joined Scuderia Ferrari within the engine department. He was part of the team during the successful early 2000's, being of similar age as then lead driver Michael Schumacher, who also joined Ferrari at a similar time. In 2013 he became responsible for the engine department, before on 27 July 2016 he was appointed Chief Technical Officer of Ferrari, replacing James Allison [3] During Binotto's two years as a technical director, Ferrari once more competed for regular race wins and also ended a five-year pole position drought. In 2019 he was promoted Team Principal amid Maurizio Arrivabene leaving the team. "

    It maybe that he is Swiss ... Italian, since Switzerland is divided in 4 cultural regions, or was only born there.
    But I can see is that since 1994, he is fully immersed in Italy, and at Ferrari, so he has surely gone "local" .
     
  25. william

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    I think the present hybrid formula is reconducted with a few modifications until 2025, turbo included.
     

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